12-05-2012, 01:00 AM | #225 |
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I'm not surprised that some feel there shouldn't be a turbo 4 Cyl engine option.
But other than the feeling that a 4cyl doesn't belong in a Camaro or muscle car I don't see much in the way of substance to support what reads like just a opinion likely from someone outside of the target 4 cyl demographic. What's the harm of having a turbo 4 cyl as an option besides the V6 and V8? What if the 6th Gen engine choices were cut to turbo 4 and V8? Would that change anyones opinion?
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Back on topic, check these links out if you haven't already. Covers the GM Gen V LT1, and LT4. http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/10/...ction-and-afm/ http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/09/...rful-than-zl1/ I have no idea what GM is developing, but check out some info on the Mustang: http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/tag/2015-mustang/ |
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12-05-2012, 06:36 AM | #227 | |
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CAFE means that the overall average of the the cars sold by the manufacturer must be a certain number. That means that the more cars they can sell with a higher mileage regardless is it's a Silverado, a Camaro, a Spark or a Cruze the better, to offset the number of vehicles they sell that don't get such great mileage. If they don't sell enough of the higher mileage vehicles, they wont be ABLE to offer the Camaro's we want with the V8's. |
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That's the assumption I'm basing most of my gripes on.
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I am done with you guys. You are just going to have to accept the fact it's going to happen at some time to keep the Camaro viable in the future. As you can see with other cars being redesigned each one is coming put with smaller engine options. The Camaro will have that happen also.
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12-05-2012, 08:51 AM | #230 |
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It surprises me a bit to hear everyone dislikeing the idea of a 4 cylinder engine option to get better gas milage (even though it may very well have close the performance they're used to) and to provide a more affordable Camaro for those that don't need a ZL1 when we already have that situation with the current V6.
Offering a V6 with perfectly adequate performance and great gas mileage as they do today is no different than offering a Turbo-4 in the next generation. Put the Turbo-4 in the 1LS, giving a low-end option to compliment the 2SS with perhaps the new LT1 V8. What's wrong with that.? Don't get me wrong, I still love the V8, after all I traded my 2011 2SS/RS Vert in on a 2013 ZL1 Vert, but I see nothing wrong at all with offerring a Turbo-4 AS LONG AS THE PERFORMANCE IS STILL THERE. |
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12-05-2012, 02:14 PM | #233 |
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As long as it has a V8 with no AFM, 450ish hp, stick shift, retro styling, a bit smaller/lighter than the 5th gen... I'll be interested and don't care what the base engines in lesser models are.
Don't care about all the smaller engine talk, just hoping there is a variant of the LT1 V8 without AFM for the stick shift Camaro. |
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Keep in mind, I'm not saying not to offer the Camaro with the V8, by all means do so even though you might have a gas guzzler tax to deal with like we do with the ZL1, I'm just saying I see nothing wrong with offering a high performance Turbo-4 in the lower models.
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The turbo-4 is more efficient argument itself is a dubious one as well. The ATS 2.0T gets a 31 mpg rating. The Camaro 3.6L gets a 30 mpg rating. Put the same V6 into a lighter, more aerodynamic 6th gen Camaro, and that likely becomes 31-32, with superior performance. Turbo engines also tend to miss their rated numbers by more than N/A engines. They are efficient within the light-footed idealized EPA tests, but in the real world where people actually use the gas pedal, not so much. Just ask the Ecoboost crowd. Quote:
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12-05-2012, 05:39 PM | #236 |
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This argument will rage on. They are making 4cl LNF Blocks hold over 800hp. GM Could easily put 400 plus hp into a Camaro that is 500lbs lighter and still get the same reliability and by the way my Cobalt sounds bad ass. All I did was remove the cats and put a 3'' stainless down pipe in its place. 6 bolts 150 smackers later.
Go to zzp performance web site or go do some research on the cobalt forum. Muscle and performance are no longer linked to cylinder size. Block heads If the sound bothers you record your V8 at WOT hook it to a good sound system in the trunk connect it to the throttle in puts at the ECU and bam you go supa dupa fast and sound amazing. |
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If Ford releases a 310+HP turbo 4 in the next Mustang as they are rumored to be doing, then I see Chevy looking to counter that with their own 300+ HP turbo 4. Its not like getting past 300 is all that difficult. If the power is over 300 (and the torque will likely be around that as well) then it is difficult to justify the V6 from a performance standpoint. Your other points about cost and mileage still hold merit though. Now, I can see the V6 coming if they make the turbo 4 have under 300 horse. Then there is plenty of room for it in the performance category (The V6 should have 330+ HP) and offer the V6 model at a competitive price with Fords turbo 4 Mustang. I do want to point out one thing nobody has brought up, and that is 8 speed autos. By the time the 6th gen rolls around, it will for sure have a 7 or 8 speed auto doing a couple things. One....increasing highway mileage. Two...making the car even faster than it would be already with the lower weight. With the combination of less weight and an 8 speed, I see no reason why 32-35 MPG highway, and mid 5 second 0 - 60 and mid 13 second 1/4 miles wouldn't be possible (unless they gear it really high as well). Bottom line for me....in any case I hope to see a V6 offering! Baring some turbo 4 with magical performance, I'd prefer the V6. But I definitely see the case for the turbo 4 and I'm sure it will arrive.
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12-05-2012, 06:06 PM | #238 |
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Having owned a WRX and a Camaro SS... 4cyl turbo excites me. No it doesnt have the V8 sound however the performance is there and dollar for dollar turbo engines yeild better performance gains with aftermarket parts than N/A engines. example: 1000 plus bucks for a cam shaft and you may get 40hp or so. 1000 bucks for a bigger turbo and you could easily double that....
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