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The Y went from $50k to $48k for taking in stock car, and still had a $3k and 7.5k rebates. $38k for a well proven design with no dealer ripoffs buying the whole thing online not stuck in front of one desk to the other forcing a ripoff on you. Or wait for $52k Equinox and hope for some rebate to offset additional ripoffs the dealer. racerx youtube guy posted about his new Demon170 engine blowing along with all the massive BS dealers have put him through. A changed engine in a collectors interest car is like having a big accident on its records, devalue. Not to mention now that a few have blown is it really the top dog now? Fastest car in the world except a stock grampa's S Plaid sedan outruns it at far cheaper price in the real world. This video is a long winded guy about his 4+yr 100k mi experience with a Tesla 3. I'll save you the time he only replaced a $10 seat switch and $400 oil circulation pump for the rear motor/diff in 100k mi plus worn suspension at $1k. He estimated $2k spent on electricity BEV vs $15k in ICE fuel if he had to buy it at UK prices. It had similar depreciation to a similar ICE car. Many comments by people driving up to 188k mi without problems. A few problems mentioned out of hundreds of thousands sold. A very few battery replacements but relative to how many sold and the fact they keep improving the batteries even mid year it's not common now, also how did they treat them? Fully charged and left sitting in hot weather beats them down. IIRC the heat pump has been updated and suspension to eliminate a failure point. Don't know about the power steering pump a few have had problems with. The China made 3Performance battery might be a bad trend like the Demon170 engines. The only thing I learned was tire life can be as good as any other car if you don't beat on it's performance. People getting 47k mi out of them. There were a few trolls in the comments section repeating FUD aka BS. Edit: Here is some info on 2017-2021 power steering problem solved with OTA software update, Don't know if that resolved it but I don't really see any trends on late model Ys. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...m-a4893117329/ I might add IDK if I would buy a BEV with intentions of trading it in or selling it within a few years of ownership. Because of dropping BEV retail prices and many peoples fear of them used markets are still more uncertain for many dealers. I never lease but BEVs are getting crazy low lease offers now and I would go that route except I intend to keep mine longer than that. More of racerx talking about proposed FTC rules to stop the dealer BS. I had one experience where the salesman said the quiet part out loud. What is most important to you, Trade in price, Car price OR interest rate? I said all three. He said NO, ONE! so you can tell your wife and neighbors what a great deal you got because of ONE of those items! Like I'm a moron who doesn't mind being scammed as long as I can tell others a half truth how I did good. Last edited by silversleeper; 04-29-2024 at 10:38 AM. |
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The $10k EVs that everyone talks about are A segment and B-segment vehicles for the domestic Chinese market only. You can’t even buy an A-Segment car in the US anymore. If you could it would be something akin to the Smart car. A B-segment would be something like the Chevrolet Sonic.
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Fact is, things are a little craftier than just BYD hoping to dump cheap cars here.
GM already sells vehicles in the US which were built in China. And I hate them for it, it's absolute betrayal. Ford is following suit. Lincoln Nautilus? Hot off the container ship. Volvo, after its partnership with Geely in the Polestar venture, will now manufacture its own EV's in China and import them to the US. Cheap EV's already have an inroad. Were it not for tax incentives to source and manufacture in North America (Thank you, Biden), you know GM would be leveraging its Chinese EV manufacturing--which is already in place--to bring us cheap EV's....would they not? |
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The more-nuanced-than-evident piece is GM could theoretically import 5 cheap EV's from China for one Z06 exported, in theory, yes? This is the inroad I'm talking about even with existing tariffs. |
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Even if GM did make a “5 cheap EVs for 1 Z06” deal you’re still talking not enough numbers to cause a ripple in the pond. And such a deal would be very unlikely. It’s an if stacked on top of an if, wrapped around a maybe.
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The other obvious inroad is setting up shop in Mexico and suddenly every Chinese EV's VIN now begins with 3 instead of L. |
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That is something I have my team studying intently. So far the Chinese OEMs are content with importing into Mexico. Not saying it can’t or won’t happen, but at present, not a lot in motion.
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Musk fires the entire department involving superchargers…
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And stock price jumps $27. Go figure. Makes no sense at all.
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Tesla's stock never made sense to begin with anyway......
Depending how this shakes out...... Even though I never needed a supercharger yet, may dictate what replaces my Model 3 down the road. Got years before I envision needing to replace the Model 3 so have time to see what happens. But the discussion changes further. It was a matter of replacing it with another Tesla or another OEM EV. It brings ICE back into discussion. This also puts NACS in jeopardy. Musk needs to step down as CEO, IMHO. Get a Gwynne Shotwell to run Tesla. Gwynne been doing an awesome job running SpaceX as CEO leaving Musk deal with what he is actually good at, the product and hardware. He can't operate and run a company. |
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05-02-2024, 07:34 PM | #2044 |
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Stock holder Voting is going on.
Just like our local votes wording obfuscates the truth of the matter. Should a person get 54 bazillion dollars for pissing away billions of company money on things not making a good return instead of focusing on the Tesla car product? Related to that topic will gas stations and store landlords pay for the superchargers now so it was smart decision because of a low Return On Investment or some crazyassedwhilehigh decision? I don't see anything all over the news on details of profit vs investments on those except the government huge dollar subsidies have built exactly ONE location. Oh I might add I would like to see a new CEO focused on the cars only, there was no vote option for that BTW In other electric news Acura is making a new electric hearse looking crossover so it can take itself out for burial after the model is so unpopular? Last edited by silversleeper; 05-02-2024 at 10:32 PM. |
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