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03-04-2024, 08:33 AM | #1766 |
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Just curious....
It seems that whenever Tesla "allows" another manufacturer to use their charging stations, it's considered good news by most, but not so much with the Tesla owners....(who "paid" for the stations originally with their purchase..?).... Was wondering, how solid is this arrangement? Can Musk/Tesla change their minds and pull the plug? (sorry...lol). Is Tesla laying a trap to discourage any real competition when it comes to charging? and at some point again only allow their own makes to charge? Do Tesla owners/drivers have any clout with this? Who really owns and controls these charging stations? Just wondering if it could become problematic in the near future. |
03-04-2024, 09:03 AM | #1767 | |
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03-04-2024, 01:23 PM | #1768 |
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"the automaker can reap information such as how and where drivers charge their cars, time spent charging, charging speeds, and even what customers do while waiting for their vehicle to charge"
So awesome, nothing but upside for everyone. Now I won't have to spend time detailing all my movements for others on paper after paying for gas with cash, such a time saver. |
03-04-2024, 02:58 PM | #1769 |
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I don't own an electric vehicle but there are probably cameras at or around the charging stations. There may also be other services like wifi where they can see/limit what users, in general, are looking at.
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03-04-2024, 03:43 PM | #1770 |
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Probably whatever people are doodling around with using the onboard infotainment system, even better with actual camera surveillance.
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03-05-2024, 07:09 AM | #1771 | |
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Also back in the day asbestos from brake pads was a big thing. I think it's prohibited but just look at your front wheels, all those iron and pad particulates. After the seasons first light rain my car is coated with all that mostly pad dust from the cars on the highway. The article doesn't even touch on that. If a person drives non aggressively their tire wear will be like a minivan or SUV and it is a smaller tire than some SUVs so less material deposited, let's ignore that to make a scarey article. Also I have no brake wear most drives and only slight other drives because regen braking does it all for me with no waste. Only unexpected hard stops in traffic that happen once in a while need added traditional brakes and that isn't hard applications normally. You wouldn't know this unless you spent time at the wheel in the real world and drove non-aggressively. As I sit here thinking of the fun depositing rubber from my now bald 315 wide rear Camaro tires...with no cats because factory cats tend to melt under high hp |
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03-05-2024, 08:36 AM | #1772 |
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Pretty impressive that IC and exhaust treatment tech has lowered the particulate "count" (?) to this extent, especially w/o the power-robbing impact of the equipment rolled out back in the '70's.
But re: relative EV/ICE particulate contribution, don't ICE cars also , y'know, release the toxins from the tires and brakes? So the overall difference still comes down to exhaust / zero exhaust?
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03-05-2024, 09:40 AM | #1773 |
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I love how everyone becomes an electrical engineer and environmentalist in these threads. Moonlighting from former hobbies and careers, I'm sure. I guess if EV's actually and finally inspire the everyday Joe to "care" about the environment, that's a good thing, right? Or, at least it looks and feels good in their newfound, personal crusade against another thing they don't like?
The writeup on "tire dust" is already tired and old and lacks context. Not that it isn't important and that there isn't some factual data. Pick a different hill to die on for environmental reasons, though. Be sure to account for the full lifecycle of oil production including exploration, drilling, fracking, spills, refinery emissions. Make sure to add in ICV idle time to defrost windows and warm interiors, and subtract the energy loss from heat, driveline friction, and noise. Or, be like me. I don't give $0.02 about how my EV impacts the environment right now. Just like I didn't have a little greta-meltdown before I bought my V8 Camaro. EV's are <1% of cars on American roads. I didn't consult a study about tire dust before I bought mine. These distractions are more noise put up by politically motivated individuals, and mostly people screeching on car forums. And there's so much good data about the environmental impact of EV's. Interesting that they cherry-pick one little study, don't you think? |
03-05-2024, 12:16 PM | #1774 | |
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03-05-2024, 01:02 PM | #1775 |
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Hopefully EVs will start paying their fair share of road maintenance taxes, eventually, since they disproportionately wear down the roads with heavier weights and contribute nothing in fuel tax revenues. Yet another "subsidy" by exemption.
Oops, off the narrative again... resume the all upside for everyone all the time discussion. Golly! EVs are cheap to operate, right?! |
03-05-2024, 01:15 PM | #1776 |
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If you don't want an EV, don't buy one. If discussing them upsets you, consider abstaining from the thread. It really is that simple.
I guess those poor ICV owners will have to shoulder the burden for the 1% of EV's on the roads for a little while. Womp womp. However, that is quickly changing, with some US states charging higher fees for EV's as part of the registration/renewal process. Have no fear, state and fed governments will find a way to tax EV's operating on the road. |
03-05-2024, 02:38 PM | #1777 |
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The government is pretty much running the automotive marketplace to a degree never seen before. It will never be simple again. I didn't want to be a stakeholder in EV sales, but now I have be as a taxpayer.
Taxing them while subsidizing to promote them? Or wait until they are more widely adopted before dropping the bad news (bait and switch)? |
03-05-2024, 03:35 PM | #1778 | |
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How much taxpayer money annually is given to oil companies in the US in the form of subsidy? What would the average price of fuel at the pump be without that money? |
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