[KennyC]

Originally Posted by Blueclyde

Read the road and track review. It's a bit different. Let's wait to get a few of these out there before constructing any theories.

Lol, constructing theories huh. Just face it, the ZL1 is taking as ass pounding and you and all the other fanboys know it! I can't wait til a head to head on the same track and the GT500 out runs the ZL1 around the corners. Then what's the argument gonna be? It's time to accept defeat just like the 4.6 guys did when the LS1 came about.

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by Mr.R

Sorry if I was a bit biased - I own a ZL1.

say waaaat?

[72MachOne99GT]

http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w...nt=Driveup.mp4

While we're here

[wawrecker]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The huge $$$$$ difference is an issue. MT as tested price is $64,770. For the GT500.

A true hand built made in America race engine does cost a little more, been a while since I've seen cast pistons spec'ed for an engine built to put out and last....just saying..

[wawrecker]

All this chatter about the Shelby not being a road course car, what year did Chevy win Le Mans?

[chrisx66]

Originally Posted by wawrecker

A true hand built made in America race engine does cost a little more, been a while since I've seen cast pistons spec'ed for an engine built to put out and last....just saying..

I bought a hand built sandwich at subway and it wasn't any better than the one I made at home.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Just as an FYI, I can turn my launch control on, set traction control to whichever setting it takes, and drive around waiting for a stop light.

There's no 'last second' setting it up if I don't want to wait.

And if I don't want to drive around with it on, it's a single button push from 'off' to 'on'

Just a heads up. The car still > me..

My performance measuring thing gave me a 9.2 0-60 second time.. lol,, something was a bit off there

The Mopar SRT8 cars have this Wiget too, but nobody ever talks about using them? Maybe they all are a little off in their measurements

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The huge $$$$$ difference is an issue. MT as tested price is $64,770. For the GT500.

The cost of the one I have ordered is only $615 dollars more than the ZL1 I had on order.

Cost isn't that much different unless you add the track pack which about 95% of owners will never use, add the glass roof which makes no sense, add the Recaro seats which isn't offered in the ZL1, add the Nav which wasn't offered in the 2012 ZL1 (I'm sure there will be a cost adjustment on the 2013 for that adder),add the sub woofer(Which who cares about a radio in a 662HP car. I want to hear those ponies.)

I ordered the SVT package ,but once again most people will have no need for it. Without it, it would make the GT500 less than the ZL1 by a good bit when you consider the Gas Guzzler tax and higher destination charge.


The cost argument isn't an argument.

Like I've said countless times in these threads, I believe the ZL1 is the all around better car for the everyday motorhead ,and I really have no comment on the ring times of either car because I don't believe that to be anything other than a smoke screen used for marketing purposes by the car companies.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by chrisx66

I bought a hand built sandwich at subway and it wasn't any better than the one I made at home.

That's because the one you make at home is also hand built just by different hands.

[JimmyDeanSausage]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The huge $$$$$ difference is an issue. MT as tested price is $64,770. For the GT500.

Apples to apples the difference is 5 grand. You guys talking 7-10,000 need to quit grasping at straws.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by JimmyDeanSausage

Apples to apples the difference is 5 grand. You guys talking 7-10,000 need to quit grasping at straws.

I don't see where you get 5grand to be an apples to apples comparison. First off it's impossible to do an apples to apples difference.

All I know is I'm buying exactly what I want in a GT500 for $615 more than exactly what I wanted in a ZL1.

Also, is the pricing out for the 2013 ZL1 yet? I bet the cost goes up.

[JimmyDeanSausage]

Each car, with any available performance options, with none of the extra fluff. That's functionally how they'll be tested.

Ford gives you the option of foregoing some of those options, giving you a choice (having a choice is a very, very bad thing according to most Camaro guys, but whatever), but since we ALL know every ZL1 driver races competitively at VIR every other weekend, I'm willing to throw them a bone and stipulate that for it to be an apples to apples comparison, the GT500 needs the track pack.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by JimmyDeanSausage

Each car, with any available performance options, with none of the extra fluff. That's functionally how they'll be tested.

Ford gives you the option of foregoing some of those options, giving you a choice (having a choice is a very, very bad thing according to most Camaro guys, but whatever), but since we ALL know every ZL1 driver races competitively at VIR every other weekend, I'm willing to throw them a bone and stipulate that for it to be an apples to apples comparison, the GT500 needs the track pack.

I'll give you the track pack in that case which makes the difference just over 4grand.

What type of cooling systems does the ZL1 use on the rear end, transmission and engine? Are they forced cooled with pumps or just some type of passive transfer method?

The biggest difference I see that would make the cost go up for the GT500 is the motor. It would cost a lot more to hand build a fully forged motor with the space aged technology that is in that motor.

Although the suspension system on the ZL1 is out of this world which should probably make it cost more. I guess Ford has to give Shelby his cut. God rest his sole. LOL

[Fenderaddict2]

Automobile Magazine wades in... ( yes, wades)

http://m.automobilemag.com/reviews/d...est/index.html