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JusticePete · 03-31-2015, 08:27 AM

It appears the 6th Gen will be 200 pounds lighter according to the latest press release quoting Al.

E. Bryant · 03-31-2015, 08:59 AM

I've also heard that some composite pieces made their way into the suspension. Brace yourself for the internet's best self-proclaimed engineers telling us how this is doomed to fail...

JusticePete · 03-31-2015, 10:39 AM

If it is on the Internet it must be true.

PYROLYSIS · 04-02-2015, 11:30 AM

What's up houze folk? Took the 1LE to Roebling last weekend. Had a blast. Wish I could go every weekend.

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2cnd chance · 04-03-2015, 03:02 PM

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What's up houze folk? Took the 1LE to Roebling last weekend. Had a blast. Wish I could go every weekend.

Lookin' good!

*mlee* · 04-03-2015, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

What's up houze folk? Took the 1LE to Roebling last weekend. Had a blast. Wish I could go every weekend.

Very nice... Great pic

Number 3 · 04-03-2015, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

What's up houze folk? Took the 1LE to Roebling last weekend. Had a blast. Wish I could go every weekend.

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Sweeeeet!

Number 3 · 04-03-2015, 05:20 PM

Ok, lets do some more future Z speculation.

What if there is no 500+ HP engine in the works? I have speculated that I believe there is, but that is by my own admission a hopeful guess.

What would we think of a Camaro that basically took the SS/1LE and dropped another 300 pounds, added CC brakes, necessary cooling improvements.

So there would be added track content for brakes and axle coolers etc. Likely an axle ratio change as well, but that could simply be part of the 1LE as it is today.

But we would in effect have a sub 3,400 pound car with an LT1. A naturally aspirated track focused Camaro.

So essentially power to weight ratio of the Stingray with the magic CC brakes and trofeo tires.

Would that be sufficient?

To do this, would require extensive use of premium materials, i.e. magnesium and carbon fiber, metal matrix composites. So instead of jacking the price of the Z/28 up by using a very expensive hand made engine, put the $$ into the materials.

Thoughtz?

brt3 · 04-03-2015, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, lets do some more future Z speculation.

What if there is no 500+ HP engine in the works?...What would we think of a Camaro that basically took the SS/1LE and dropped another 300 pounds, added CC brakes, necessary cooling improvements... added track content for brakes and axle coolers etc... But we would in effect have a sub 3,400 pound car with an LT1. A naturally aspirated track focused Camaro... power to weight ratio of the Stingray with the magic CC brakes and trofeo tires.

Would that be sufficient?

To do this, would require extensive use of premium materials, i.e. magnesium and carbon fiber, metal matrix composites. So instead of jacking the price of the Z/28 up by using a very expensive hand made engine, put the $$ into the materials.

Thoughtz?

Interesting thoughts. However, with the potential performance of the Mustang GT350, GT350-R, and GT350-S, I find it hard to conceive that the Camaro team won't respond with all barrels blazing. IF they had a lightweight model, I think they'd still sell a version with more power, just to eclipse the numbers the Mustang is going to post...

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-04-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, lets do some more future Z speculation.

What if there is no 500+ HP engine in the works? I have speculated that I believe there is, but that is by my own admission a hopeful guess.

What would we think of a Camaro that basically took the SS/1LE and dropped another 300 pounds, added CC brakes, necessary cooling improvements.

So there would be added track content for brakes and axle coolers etc. Likely an axle ratio change as well, but that could simply be part of the 1LE as it is today.

But we would in effect have a sub 3,400 pound car with an LT1. A naturally aspirated track focused Camaro.

So essentially power to weight ratio of the Stingray with the magic CC brakes and trofeo tires.

Would that be sufficient?

To do this, would require extensive use of premium materials, i.e. magnesium and carbon fiber, metal matrix composites. So instead of jacking the price of the Z/28 up by using a very expensive hand made engine, put the $$ into the materials.

Thoughtz?

Sign me up!

Trading the ZL1 for the 1LE solidified the thought that I prefer the dynamics of a nimble, light car vs a comparably heavier, more powerful car.

Plus, there's just less stresses on the car when you're not trying to harness a nuclear amount of power. The 1LE feels like it wants to go fast, naturally. The ZL1 feels like it is forced (and able!) to do so.

JusticePete · 04-04-2015, 09:33 AM

So we are hoping for a Z/28 that weighs the same as a C7 Z06? I think we are better off hoping for a more powerful NA LT.

Bhobbs · 04-04-2015, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok, lets do some more future Z speculation.

What if there is no 500+ HP engine in the works? I have speculated that I believe there is, but that is by my own admission a hopeful guess.

What would we think of a Camaro that basically took the SS/1LE and dropped another 300 pounds, added CC brakes, necessary cooling improvements.

So there would be added track content for brakes and axle coolers etc. Likely an axle ratio change as well, but that could simply be part of the 1LE as it is today.

But we would in effect have a sub 3,400 pound car with an LT1. A naturally aspirated track focused Camaro.

So essentially power to weight ratio of the Stingray with the magic CC brakes and trofeo tires.

Would that be sufficient?

To do this, would require extensive use of premium materials, i.e. magnesium and carbon fiber, metal matrix composites. So instead of jacking the price of the Z/28 up by using a very expensive hand made engine, put the $$ into the materials.

Thoughtz?

Unless they can seriously undercut the price of the GT350, I don't think it will be sufficient. The GT350/R have thrown down the gauntlet and its up to GM to respond or ignore it. Your build sounds similar to the GT350R but with a substantial power/weight disadvantage.

Scarrzz · 04-04-2015, 03:58 PM

That sounds really, really good Number 3, and your offhand remarks know more about what is possible and even likely than my deepest studies. I wouldn't have expected that approach, but it could just be possible.

I always want the best of both worlds though. What you describe sounds incredible, but then they can offer it with an LT4 and there goes the 6th Gen ZL1 - in my mind.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-04-2015, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Unless they can seriously undercut the price of the GT350, I don't think it will be sufficient. The GT350/R have thrown down the gauntlet and its up to GM to respond or ignore it. Your build sounds similar to the GT350R but with a substantial power/weight disadvantage.

I'm gonna laugh, and possibly pee myself...if they come out of the gate with something that puts the uber-Mustang out to pasture.

04-02-2015, 11:30 AM	#15586
PYROLYSIS Remember the Charleston 9 Drives: 2004 KME PREDATOR, 2014 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Summerv1LE SC Posts: 5,381 View My Garage	What's up houze folk? Took the 1LE to Roebling last weekend. Had a blast. Wish I could go every weekend. __________________ BRING BACK THE B4C POLICE CAMARO! 2002 V-6 5 speed rally red (current camaro) Also driven:1992 Z-28 305 auto Red w/ black stripes (anniversary), 2001 V-6 auto light pewter metallic,1991 RS V-6 auto Black

04-03-2015, 05:20 PM	#15590
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,188 View My Garage	Ok, lets do some more future Z speculation. What if there is no 500+ HP engine in the works? I have speculated that I believe there is, but that is by my own admission a hopeful guess. What would we think of a Camaro that basically took the SS/1LE and dropped another 300 pounds, added CC brakes, necessary cooling improvements. So there would be added track content for brakes and axle coolers etc. Likely an axle ratio change as well, but that could simply be part of the 1LE as it is today. But we would in effect have a sub 3,400 pound car with an LT1. A naturally aspirated track focused Camaro. So essentially power to weight ratio of the Stingray with the magic CC brakes and trofeo tires. Would that be sufficient? To do this, would require extensive use of premium materials, i.e. magnesium and carbon fiber, metal matrix composites. So instead of jacking the price of the Z/28 up by using a very expensive hand made engine, put the $$ into the materials. Thoughtz? __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

04-04-2015, 03:58 PM	#15595
Scarrzz No Fear-No Limits- Camaro Drives: '13 ZL1 or Suzuki Hayabusa Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Louisiana, CO, GA, TX, etc. Posts: 2,033 View My Garage	That sounds really, really good Number 3, and your offhand remarks know more about what is possible and even likely than my deepest studies. I wouldn't have expected that approach, but it could just be possible. I always want the best of both worlds though. What you describe sounds incredible, but then they can offer it with an LT4 and there goes the 6th Gen ZL1 - in my mind. __________________ . __________________________________ ................................................The Faithful are Watching.

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03-31-2015, 08:27 AM	#15583
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	It appears the 6th Gen will be 200 pounds lighter according to the latest press release quoting Al.

03-31-2015, 08:59 AM	#15584
E. Bryant Gearhead Drives: 2012 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Michigan Posts: 252	I've also heard that some composite pieces made their way into the suspension. Brace yourself for the internet's best self-proclaimed engineers telling us how this is doomed to fail...

03-31-2015, 10:39 AM	#15585
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	If it is on the Internet it must be true.

04-04-2015, 09:33 AM	#15593
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	So we are hoping for a Z/28 that weighs the same as a C7 Z06? I think we are better off hoping for a more powerful NA LT.