[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

It's torque at the wheels that matters for 60' times. It is quite possible that the 18gt with A10 could have more torque at the wheels in first gear than the SS with A8.

I remember that big long explanation of net torque or something showing the current manual GT to have quite the advantage over the current manual SS with gearing.

Didn't quite work out that well....

[ChefBorOzzy]

Majority of those explanations were rubbish.. I loved the part where someone went on about the Coyote revving higher so that gives it higher net torque for the gear.. And how you'll have to shift less in the GT350 than ZL1 because it revs higher.. Cause, you know, gearing has nothing to do with anything... Except when we're talking about net torque.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

It's torque at the wheels that matters for 60' times. It is quite possible that the 18gt with A10 could have more torque at the wheels in first gear than the SS with A8.

My guess it's there new drag mode with the auto. It acts more like a stall converter, and the magride in the rear keeps the rear tires placed. As they said the only way they got the below 4.0 is in drag mode with the PP package.

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Keep on talking your nonsense. NONE of the S550 Mustangs, no matter what gearing or trans they had was able to do better than a 12.9 stock. Which means that you're putting all your pennies on a 10 sp trans, an extra 25 hp, and an extra 20 tq and I don't think it will be enough to propel that turd to a low 12. The 16 SS lost weight over the 5th Gen, gained 30 extra hp, 50 extra tq, and an 8 sp trans and it went from a high 12 to a low 12. And before all that it was neck and neck with the GT. The GT is doing a half job, it will have shitty suspension components, and it is not gonna match the SS...and no way is Ford dumb enough to actually make it match the Shelby. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they were that dumb. I don't care what Ford projects it will do...I'll wait to see it in the hands of an unbiased tester. Until then you're just reaching for a win and the Camaro is too far ahead.

Except bone stock GT's have gone 12.3-12.5. I've seen several at local track hitting 12.4's.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

Except bone stock GT's have gone 12.3-12.5. I've seen several at local track hitting 12.4's.

Bone stock with skinny all season tires did those times?

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

Except bone stock GT's have gone 12.3-12.5. I've seen several at local track hitting 12.4's.

Must be a fast track. And miracle prep

12.2-3 @ 112-113 is what I seen one run all night long last year in around 0 DA. Had at least a drag pack and seen him tuning it. Dead hooking.
In a stock tune SS with drag pack I had him by a full half second and 4 mph.

At my track a stock GT wouldn't even touch mid 12s. 100% guarantee you.
I seen a gt350 last time out and it trapped 113-114

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Must be a fast track. And miracle prep

12.2-3 @ 112-113 is what I seen one run all night long last year in around 0 DA. Had at least a drag pack and seen him tuning it. Dead hooking.
In a stock tune SS with drag pack I had him by a full half second and 4 mph.

At my track a stock GT wouldn't even touch mid 12s. 100% guarantee you.
I seen a gt350 last time out and it trapped 113-114

Fayetteville NC.

We do get some nice mineshaft air in the fall. Down into the negative DA.

I go by real world what I see. Stock shitty 235/45/18 all seasons too. These are 3.55 A6's.

Nobody is denying the SS is faster, but to say it can't get under 13 stock is just plain ****ing ignorant.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

Fayetteville NC.

We do get some nice mineshaft air in the fall. Down into the negative DA.

I go by real world what I see. Stock shitty 235/45/18 all seasons too. These are 3.55 A6's.

Nobody is denying the SS is faster, but to say it can't get under 13 stock is just plain ****ing ignorant.

You have to admit that these times are not the norm. Now what are you seeing for bone stock SS at the same track?

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

It is very important up until the swap to an aftermarket converter.

Leaving off idle in stock automatics the lack of low end torque kills the current mustang in comparison to the Camaro. A hard 60 ft is paramount to a good 1/4 mile time.

How about on the street? you gonna drop the hammer down with a converter or manual tranny and hit the tires at 5000 rpm? Good luck with that.

Better gearing and probably a better stock converter will really help the 18 car. Artificially giving it better low end...which supposedly doesn't matter...

true but the lower low end torque helps with getting off the line without going up in smoke. when I went from a 2010 SS to a 2011 Mustang 5.0 I was almost certain the Camaro was faster but a trip to the track proved I was wrong. the Camaro was hard to launch without smoking the tires where the Mustang could launch easily with street tires and ran .5 seconds faster overall. in my opinion the new generation Camaro is Butt ugly as is the 2015 and later Mustang so until gm or Ford make a car I like looking at I will wait to buy my next car.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

Fayetteville NC.

We do get some nice mineshaft air in the fall. Down into the negative DA.

I go by real world what I see. Stock shitty 235/45/18 all seasons too. These are 3.55 A6's.

Nobody is denying the SS is faster, but to say it can't get under 13 stock is just plain ****ing ignorant.

They are a high 12 second car here. Even in very good DA. I could maybe see at very best a 12.7.
I was disappointed in the 350 also.

The scat pack ive run against here was very impressive. Very close to my times when we were modded about the same.

Maybe its just the drivers or something....or maybe his tune was shit. but the drag pack mustang was an auto s550 and I seen him using a laptop in it. point and shoot dead hooking. 12.2@113 was his best run all night. This was last fall in DA of about 100.
The scat pack with DR, hellcat airbox mod with filter removed and tazer ran 11.9@115. No tune.

[Bhobbs]

Wow, there goes any price advantage the Mustang enjoyed.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Must be a fast track. And miracle prep

12.2-3 @ 112-113 is what I seen one run all night long last year in around 0 DA. Had at least a drag pack and seen him tuning it. Dead hooking.
In a stock tune SS with drag pack I had him by a full half second and 4 mph.

At my track a stock GT wouldn't even touch mid 12s. 100% guarantee you.
I seen a gt350 last time out and it trapped 113-114

It is a downhill track with a tail wind...and the clock gives you a .2 second head start.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

It's torque at the wheels that matters for 60' times. It is quite possible that the 18gt with A10 could have more torque at the wheels in first gear than the SS with A8.

Because somehow the Mustang is gonna overcome a 35 crank tq deficit by the time that tq gets to the wheels. I gotta say, I really enjoy your split second creative excuses. You just keep belting out excuses for garbage like Ford keeps belting out garbage.

[LEADfoot927]

This reminds me when the LS3 had 30 ft pds on the 5.0, and we learned how that worked out and that there was more to the equation. In addition the E92 M3 matching the 5.0 in acceleration despite a 100 ft tq deficit. Either way i'm enjoying the competition and the SS and the GT taking turns one-upping each other yet again.