[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I’m no Demon expert but ...the crate? ...that isn’t technically sold with the car? ...because it’s contents, if installed at the factory, would render it not street legal? ...like a COPO? ...except it has no cage? ...so it’s not strip legal (9s)? ...unlike a COPO?


So there is no misunderstanding. Give me one and my Camaro will lose its garage spot and be parked in the driveway.

My take on the Demon is that with the crate I would still consider it "stock" they aren't parts from the Mopar performance catalog. It's not like buying a Mustang and buying parts from Ford Racing or Camaro buying GM perfomance parts.

The Demon crate is a $1 option offered from the factory once your order is accepted. Yes you might have to pick up the crate at parts department but the crate is a $1 option for the vehicle.

Now if you want to argue show room stock than yeah I guess you have point there, but I would still consider the Demon with crate parts installed because it's a factory option

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by shaffe

My take on the Demon is that with the crate I would still consider it "stock" they aren't parts from the Mopar performance catalog. It's not like buying a Mustang and buying parts from Ford Racing or Camaro buying GM perfomance parts.

The Demon crate is a $1 option offered from the factory once your order is accepted. Yes you might have to pick up the crate at parts department but the crate is a $1 option for the vehicle.

Now if you want to argue show room stock than yeah I guess you have point there, but I would still consider the Demon with crate parts installed because it's a factory option

As described by Dodge in the C&D article, the crate is not sold with the car so it is not an option. The buyer is given a voucher that allows them to buy it separately. The crate parts can not be installed by the factory and still carry a VIN. So is it really stock?

It is a technicality but still an accurate description of what Dodge did. Two advertised power ratings. Stock and with the crate module.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

You really don't get it. Sad.

Hah. Perhaps I'm accustomed to conversing with above room temp IQ persons.

Show me the dependable 6 second car for under $100k. And then let's compare the demon to Ford GT, 918 or Model S since you are avid about comparing the Z to a car that costs twice as much.

I "get" a lot more than you can possibly fathom. As I stated, there is no direct comparison $125k 10 second car (unless you mod the Z for an extra $10-$20k).

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

Wrong. It makes more power than a hellcat and has all the extras to allow the car to make more power with the higher octane gas. There is a large number of differences between the demon and a hellcat without the crate even being factored in.

Yes, there are some components that are different, such as the transbrake, the half cage, the widebody components, to name just a few. However, from the outside, it essentially comes in a Hellcat setup. That's all my point was about. You don't get a Demon delivered with the 840 hp/skinnies. You have to physically install it.

Originally Posted by motorhead

Haha, funniest post in this thread yet. You couldnt be more wrong. You really should read about the Demon. It will help you to be more informed.

I probably have read more about the Demon than you have, considering a person I consider to be a good friend has driven them in testing and has logged more time in the SRT cars than anyone on this forum combined. It's really not that impressive of a vehicle. The technology in the car (transbrake, the tuning setup, the blower) those are really interesting...

Outside of that, what is really impressive about the car? Put a bigger blower on the Camaro, and you have the same results....

The major difference in this car is its only design was for 1/4 mile time....it succeeded very damn well in what it does, and for that, I do give it all the props in the world....

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Yes, there are some components that are different, such as the transbrake, the half cage, the widebody components, to name just a few. However, from the outside, it essentially comes in a Hellcat setup. That's all my point was about. You don't get a Demon delivered with the 840 hp/skinnies. You have to physically install it.




I probably have read more about the Demon than you have, considering a person I consider to be a good friend has driven them in testing and has logged more time in the SRT cars than anyone on this forum combined. It's really not that impressive of a vehicle. The technology in the car (transbrake, the tuning setup, the blower) those are really interesting...

Outside of that, what is really impressive about the car? Put a bigger blower on the Camaro, and you have the same results....

The major difference in this car is its only design was for 1/4 mile time....it succeeded very damn well in what it does, and for that, I do give it all the props in the world....

I really dont car who your friends are. Your comment is completely wrong. That car is very different from a Hellcat and the fact that the computer and wheels that allow for skinnies come in a box instead of on the car make no difference. The car was designed to use them. Maybe you just dont have the ability to retain information since you know more about it than the rest of us. Who knows.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by motorhead

That car is very different from a Hellcat and the fact that the computer and wheels that allow for skinnies come in a box instead of on the car make no difference. The car was designed to use them.

Got news for ya, but the car isn't all that different...

Different hood - Demon only
Different blower - supposedly becoming available for standard Hellcat
Widebody kit that now becomes standard option for 2019 Hellcats
Transbrake
Half-cage
Optional different computer with tune
18" wheels instead of 20" wheels
Drag tires instead of standard street tires
Skinnies up front as an option
Two stage fuel pump
Option to have only front seat instead of all seats - ala Z/28 from 5th Gen


It's not that dramatically different from the Hellcat. Same motor, same trans, same suspension, same body pretty much (as evidenced by the fact its now coming out for sale on standard Hellcats)

It's still a magnificent piece of drag racing work...and it sounds freaking amazing as you hear it go by...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

As described by Dodge in the C&D article, the crate is not sold with the car so it is not an option. The buyer is given a voucher that allows them to buy it separately. The crate parts can not be installed by the factory and still carry a VIN. So is it really stock?

It is a technicality but still an accurate description of what Dodge did. Two advertised power ratings. Stock and with the crate module.

I think we arguing semantics lol. I'd say we most likely will have to agree to disagree. I see your point, it's valid it/s not showroom stock but at same time Dodge made no secrets that the times they hit were with the optional Demon crate. Now I did a little digging and from what I can see you can't get the crate till you take delivery because they serialize the crate to the car and the owner ( i believe the owner's name goes somewhere on the crate been a long day lol)

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

Hah. Perhaps I'm accustomed to conversing with above room temp IQ persons.

Show me the dependable 6 second car for under $100k. And then let's compare the demon to Ford GT, 918 or Model S since you are avid about comparing the Z to a car that costs twice as much.

I "get" a lot more than you can possibly fathom. As I stated, there is no direct comparison $125k 10 second car (unless you mod the Z for an extra $10-$20k).

Nobody said anything about a "dependable" car. You said with $40k more you could make the Z beat the Demon. And I said for that kind of money you could build a car to be much faster. You're just reaching for straws.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Got news for ya, but the car isn't all that different...

Different hood - Demon only
Different blower - supposedly becoming available for standard Hellcat
Widebody kit that now becomes standard option for 2019 Hellcats
Transbrake
Half-cage
Optional different computer with tune
18" wheels instead of 20" wheels
Drag tires instead of standard street tires
Skinnies up front as an option
Two stage fuel pump
Option to have only front seat instead of all seats - ala Z/28 from 5th Gen


It's not that dramatically different from the Hellcat. Same motor, same trans, same suspension, same body pretty much (as evidenced by the fact its now coming out for sale on standard Hellcats)

It's still a magnificent piece of drag racing work...and it sounds freaking amazing as you hear it go by...

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/look-...ns-840hp-hemi/ I got the right news for you.

You need to read this. The motor alone is vastly different. The car Also uses the AC system in drag mode to cool the air charge (hellcat doesnt). The suspension system is also different than the hellcat not the same. It allows for those wheel standing launches. You are trying to pass this car off as a Hellcat with a larger supercharger and downplaying its other 114 differences.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Yes, there are some components that are different, such as the transbrake, the half cage, the widebody components, to name just a few. However, from the outside, it essentially comes in a Hellcat setup. That's all my point was about. You don't get a Demon delivered with the 840 hp/skinnies. You have to physically install it.




I probably have read more about the Demon than you have, considering a person I consider to be a good friend has driven them in testing and has logged more time in the SRT cars than anyone on this forum combined. It's really not that impressive of a vehicle. The technology in the car (transbrake, the tuning setup, the blower) those are really interesting...

Outside of that, what is really impressive about the car? Put a bigger blower on the Camaro, and you have the same results....

The major difference in this car is its only design was for 1/4 mile time....it succeeded very damn well in what it does, and for that, I do give it all the props in the world....

It like the Hellcat is designed for the area where enthusiasts will spend 99% of their time in street/strip. It's a comfortable bad nasty great looking ride. That oh can go to the track and rip low 10s and high 9s all with out warranty busting modifications. But yes it will not set record ring times, and who the blank cares.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

Sheeesh...I'd rather be driving. The drama...

I'll state that the demon will beat a Z hands down in a drag any day of the week...but in nothing else. Add $30-$40k mods to the Z to make things commensurate, the Z will hands down beat the demon every which way to Sunday.

When you'r spending north of $59K what's a couple bucks anyway?
Thing about the Demon is that Fiat dropped the ball on building the car with an 8.50 legal roll bar AND the Nissan truck wheel well flares are kind silly looking.
Be nice if Chevy would respond with their own street legal 9 second car but they won't.

[bigmike32172]

In all reality, Dodge essentially wanted to keep somewhat of a foothold in the upper class HP wars with the Hellcat & Demon since losing their Viper after 2017.
I'd be willing to bet my ZL1 that Dodge will re-release the Viper in 2022 since it'll be the anniversary edition when it was originally released in 1992, and I'd imagine that it'll have at least 1,000hp.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

When you'r spending north of $59K what's a couple bucks anyway?
Thing about the Demon is that Fiat dropped the ball on building the car with an 8.50 legal roll bar AND the Nissan truck wheel well flares are kind silly looking.
Be nice if Chevy would respond with their own street legal 9 second car but they won't.

The Z/28 had wheel flares too. You do what you have to to fit the big meats. I like the look myself. The sides dont look as flat with them.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by motorhead

The Z/28 had wheel flares too. You do what you have to to fit the big meats. I like the look myself. The sides dont look as flat with them.

Bolt on Fender Flares on a Camaro.