04-22-2015, 06:02 PM | #1 |
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They don't want us to work on our own cars
Found this article what do you guys think? I don't find it surprising but how would they enforce it? I think it's just wrong and doubt it will ever come to light.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/04/20/a...s-car-repairs/
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04-22-2015, 06:11 PM | #2 |
WHAT RED LIGHT?!
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If "automakers" have an issue with it, let them do our repairs instead of half assed dealership technicians. I would never take my car to a dealership for any repairs outside of cosmetic after all I've been through. Even cosmetic repairs, I'll do myself around here. I know I'll end up with a new dent or something lame like that.
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04-22-2015, 06:16 PM | #3 |
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Guess I'll be an outlaw then. Fugg car control and any company that wants to keep owning your car after you paid them good money to own it. If they're not on the title, they don't have a say as far as I'm concerned.
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04-22-2015, 06:33 PM | #4 |
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I still own my 1970 Buick.
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04-22-2015, 06:33 PM | #5 |
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Can be enforced right along side pulling the tags off pillows and mattresses...
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04-22-2015, 06:34 PM | #6 |
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SHHHHHHHH! You'll get us all into terrible trouble!
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04-22-2015, 07:21 PM | #8 |
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In a way I can see where there coming from, there talking about non validated software changes here. Your high speed lan carries some fairly important messages and they all have to share the same data. Think of one possible future scenario, some guy buys a "chip" that plugs into his OBDII port which allows him to raise the convertible top at 30mph while watching TV. This guy crashes and a few milliseconds later all the modules in the car "go quiet" and one message goes out on the network... "fuel pumps off", but his neat little "chip" steps on that message because it was never tested in a crash.
Or a scenario that could happen today, that Vitesse throttle controller that's become so popular, does anybody know what the fail state of it is? Will the throttle be at zero or something a little more random? Can it still effect the throttle after a failure and its turned off? Does it draw power for the display from one of the 5 volt reference signals and does it maintain double redundancy in the circuit? They only have an off road use only disclaimer on the website. The concern is that the more advanced the technology becomes, the more open it is to untested mods which would not only render the car unsafe for the occupants, but more dangerous to other people on the road and if it cant be hardware protected then they want legal protection. Last edited by KR4545; 04-22-2015 at 07:37 PM. Reason: i before e except after c, what .... what where? |
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04-22-2015, 07:59 PM | #10 |
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Perhaps in this situation, for once (lol), there not thinking about avoiding court so much as avoiding crash fatalities. If Volvo is really serious about having zero deaths per year by 2020 then there going to have to put people in jail for deleting the passenger airbag in favor of a touch screen. Draconian? Machiavellian? hell yes its all kinds of "ians", but what other options do they have to achieve that goal?
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04-23-2015, 04:33 PM | #11 |
Chu no guat a hasa is?
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LOl, found this thread on another forum I am part of.
Some BS.
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04-23-2015, 05:23 PM | #12 |
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They don't want us to work on our own cars
Is this something that's been ongoing, or something new? No matter the case this is absolutely ridiculous!
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/gm-for...160000229.html |
04-23-2015, 05:27 PM | #13 |
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I hope this doesn't pass. If it does, i'm never buying new again.
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04-23-2015, 06:21 PM | #14 | |
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Relax, this is about altering 1s and 0s, not preventing you from replacing your brake pads. Even though that article is clearly meant to drum up the ire of gearheads, they still said this:
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