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Old 07-16-2014, 12:18 PM   #26
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Again, there is NO "either-or" with Alpha. ATS has a 109" WB, CTS is 114.8". ATS sedan is 183" OL, CTS is 194".

Expect Camaro to be within these parameters. And they'll ALL be based on "Alpha".
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Yes, Alpha is GMs small and midsized front engine rear or AWD platform. ATS was first followed by the CTS with different wheelbases.

A better guess for the above pic is ATS-V over Gen6 Camaro in disguise, or they could be doing testing on components for both vehicles at the same time
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:46 PM   #27
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Cant wait till this spanks the M3 and M4
That wont happen, I think; the new M3 is around 450rehp stock. The LT1 is not even close to that. A tuned M3 only did 500rwhp. Numbers need to be confirmed officially though.
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Old 07-19-2014, 04:02 AM   #28
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That wont happen, I think; the new M3 is around 450rehp stock. The LT1 is not even close to that. A tuned M3 only did 500rwhp. Numbers need to be confirmed officially though.
Not even close? You realize the lt1 makes more then 450hp don't you? Now I know that its not gonna be used in the ats-v but it does make great power. Also are you saying a m3 goes from 450 crank HP to over 500 at the tires with just a tune?
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Old 07-19-2014, 04:09 AM   #29
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The m3 is 450 to the wheels, BMW lists rwhp not crank for their cars.
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Old 07-19-2014, 09:43 AM   #30
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M3 does not put 450hp to the wheels...
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Old 07-19-2014, 09:56 AM   #31
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I stand corrected. 425 To the Wheels
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:28 AM   #32
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I just saw the spyshot pics posted on roadandtrack.com of new 2016 ATS-V. Is this the size/dimensions we should expect for the 6th Gen Camaro?
I am reading the 6th gen will be using the CTS version on the Alpha platform (Automobile) not the ATS version. So I would not expect the 6th gen to lose much weight. It may be very close to the weight of the 2015 Mustang and just slightly smaller than the 6th gen. While many of us would like a smaller lighter car, Chevy is playing it safe. The 5th gen was a big seller.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:09 PM   #33
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I stand corrected. 425 To the Wheels
BMW does not use RWHP, they use the exact same numbers as every US car manufacturer which are SAE certified ratings. These numbers are all crank hp and torque ratings. The M3 and M4 both make (SAE): 425 hp @ 5,500 rpm; 406 ft lb of torque @ 1,850 rpm. The reason for this standard testing is because rwhp numbers can vary from hour to hour depending on atmospheric conditions, testing an engine on an engine dy o is very accurate compared to a dyno chassis which provides wild rwhp numbers. And this is not an opinion or speculation but engineering fact.

The edge the new M3 and M4 have over the LT1 is the twin turbos, they make peak torque at 1,850 rpm to redline, that is pretty incredible. That much power under the curve accounts for its potent acceleration numbers. It will be very hard if not impossible for a stock LT1 to match that type of acceleration in a Camaro.
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BMW does not use RWHP, they use the exact same numbers as every US car manufacturer which are SAE certified ratings. These numbers are all crank hp and torque ratings. The M3 and M4 both make (SAE): 425 hp @ 5,500 rpm; 406 ft lb of torque @ 1,850 rpm. The reason for this standard testing is because rwhp numbers can vary from hour to hour depending on atmospheric conditions, testing an engine on an engine dy o is very accurate compared to a dyno chassis which provides wild rwhp numbers. And this is not an opinion or speculation but engineering fact.

The edge the new M3 and M4 have over the LT1 is the twin turbos, they make peak torque at 1,850 rpm to redline, that is pretty incredible. That much power under the curve accounts for its potent acceleration numbers. It will be very hard if not impossible for a stock LT1 to match that type of acceleration in a Camaro.
Exactly! They don't rate their vehicles at the rear wheels, lol! I worked at the BMW factory making the damn things. Yeah if I have the option for 450hp from a NA V8 or a twin turbo V6 I'll take the twin turbo V6, like you said more power under the curve plus easier to modify for more power.
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