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Old 07-17-2014, 11:11 AM   #35
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Last I checked, in 2012, Chevy made a Camaro called the ZL1 with 580hp. At the time, how much HP did the z06 have? 505.
That's a completely different situation because the Z06 was naturally aspirated. The more relevant question is how much did the ZR1 make?
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Old 07-17-2014, 11:34 AM   #36
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That's a completely different situation because the Z06 was naturally aspirated. The more relevant question is how much did the ZR1 make?
well, I didn't make that situation, I was just pointing out the flaw that the Camaro can't/wont have more power than the z06.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:18 PM   #37
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well, I didn't make that situation, I was just pointing out the flaw that the Camaro can't/wont have more power than the z06.
I never said the Camaro won't make more power than the Z06, I said the Camaro won't make more power than the comparable Corvette level. SS didn't make more than the base, Z/28 didn't make more than the Z06 and ZL1 didn't make more than the ZR1. With the Z06 likely being the top Corvette this generation, the ZL1 will like have 600-615 horsepower.
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Old 07-17-2014, 01:54 PM   #38
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I never said the Camaro won't make more power than the Z06, I said the Camaro won't make more power than the comparable Corvette level. SS didn't make more than the base, Z/28 didn't make more than the Z06 and ZL1 didn't make more than the ZR1. With the Z06 likely being the top Corvette this generation, the ZL1 will like have 600-615 horsepower.
I didn't quote you initially...I quoted snakedriver, who said chevy wouldn't make a Camaro with more power than the z06.
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Old 07-17-2014, 04:18 PM   #39
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The Hellcat, and the GT500 are both going to be great but in all reality they are not really that relevant. Sure you win bragging rights with cars like these but they are very limited in production and precious few will ever own one. Same goes for the ZL1 and Z28. The majority of Camaro owners will be buying the SS and the v6 models. How those stack up against the Mustang and Challenger compareable models will be more relevant to sales and success of the Camaro.
Exactly. Ford just released the official power/weight numbers of the 2015 Mustang lineup and uhh, well it's a snoozer. The Fusion looks, the 4 banger and now these numbers scream corporate sellout:

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3.7L V6
  • 300 HP / 280 LB-FT (on 93 octane) (down from 305 HP of 2014 S197)
  • Compression ratio: 10.5:1
  • Manual curb weight: 3526 lbs (+30 lbs increase over 2014 S197)
  • Automatic curb weight: 3530 lbs (+12 lbs increase over 2014 S197)
2.3L EcoBoost -- 310 HP / 320 LB-FT (on 93 octane)
  • Twin-scroll turbo—the first ever used on a Ford
  • Compression ratio: 10.5:1
  • Manual curb weight: 3532 lbs
  • Automatic curb weight: 3524 lbs
5.0L V8
  • 435 HP / 400 LB-FT (on 93 octane) (up from 420 HP / 390 LB-FT of 2014 S197)
  • Compression ratio: 11:1
  • Manual curb weight: 3705 lbs (+87 lbs over 2014 S197)
  • Automatic curb weight: 3729 lbs (+54 lbs over 2014 S197)

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i'm actually impressed by the 4 banger. but yeah, everything else stinks.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:23 PM   #41
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Exactly. Ford just released the official power/weight numbers of the 2015 Mustang lineup and uhh, well it's a snoozer. The Fusion looks, the 4 banger and now these numbers scream corporate sellout:


There is going to be some very upset Ford Fanboys.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:37 PM   #42
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Don't expect the 5.0 output to stay the same. In 2 or 3 years I bet it's closer to 450.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:51 PM   #43
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Don't expect the 5.0 output to stay the same. In 2 or 3 years I bet it's closer to 450.
Maybe not even two or three years, especially if the 2016 Camaro SS gets rated at 440 or 445.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:52 PM   #44
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i'm actually impressed by the 4 banger. but yeah, everything else stinks.

I've had a rental w/ a ecoboost 4cyl, and I was extremely impressed.

Yeah it sucks that the GT40 (or the more recent GT) is gone. Ford isn't playing the same game that GM is, because they aren't making a true sports car. So, the mustang is playing both the muscle and sports role.


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Old 07-17-2014, 11:04 PM   #45
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Sorry but the zl1 is not in the same league as the gt500 in straight line. Look at the mph and ET. And its very close to the zl1 on track when its a long course. Anyway. Fact is that GM needs to get serious about their engine.
Why they made a LSA engine? They should have only made an LS9, cost would have been down and Vette would still be 1st in front of heavy caddy and zl1. But GM would be a big player, right now.

Good news is that the LT1 in his original form is already more powerfull than the upgraded coyote, by a lot of torq, especially.

Still, Im hoping GM will come out with a top dog n/a engine of FI for the Camaro, not a detuned engine with a smaller supercharger. IMO, they cannot do this anymore. Were talking about huge HP here...at least 663 and 708 ideally hahah

Leta hope GM dont like to be 3rd...gloves are off!!!
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Old 07-18-2014, 02:37 AM   #46
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I don't want GM wasting time trying to create a horse power monster... Keep doing what you do best in creating an all around great car..
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