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Old 02-13-2014, 11:57 AM   #76
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So you REALLY think these two are just SO CLOSE in appearance that there's NO WAY anyone would want a car that has a back that reminds YOU of a car that's worth 6 times the price of a Camaro....

What's wrong with the Camaro community? Why are they so fixated on this "Let's see what car from the past this MIGHT remind me of" game?? I don't get this.
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Get over the fact that people who are in the Camaro community would like to have a future Camaro look like a Camaro. You dont just design a car in a line of evolution, and have it look completely different than its predecessors.
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:17 PM   #78
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doc i know you put major work into this project but to tell you the truth every camaro you designed looks really outdated....it would never go in production whether you like it or not...that being said i do appreciate your work


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Get over the fact that people who are in the Camaro community would like to have a future Camaro look like a Camaro. You dont just design a car in a line of evolution, and have it look completely different than its predecessors.
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doc i know you put major work into this project but to tell you the truth every camaro you designed looks really outdated....it would never go in production whether you like it or not...that being said i do appreciate your work


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I don't like that thing. It's gimmicky. I would never buy a car that looks like that. If that's what "people are looking for" then that makes me sad. If that's the direction Camaro design is going, I won't be buying any future Camaros.

Do you guys realize what you're saying? "It looks outdated" yet you want it to look like a Camaro....all of which are from the past.... wow indeed. You want an evolution; something different but it can't look different from the past.

So what happened here?

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How did the 1970 Camaro get to be accepted as a Camaro when it didn't look anything like it's predecessor??

I believe there IS room for change if it's good, but that's the trick...it has to be a good change.

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Old 02-13-2014, 01:21 PM   #80
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Get over the fact that people who are in the Camaro community would like to have a future Camaro look like a Camaro. You dont just design a car in a line of evolution, and have it look completely different than its predecessors.
Here's the back of the car you think is what people want:

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Here's the back of my concept:

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Now tell me again which one "looks like a Camaro".

I'm starting to think the "Camaro community" doesn't really know what it wants other than there are some who want a robot toy car with some Camaro elements stuck onto it so it can be called a Camaro.
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For the second gen of a car, there is no evolution I follow, so I don't know what to tell you! And I never said that rear render is what I liked... Honestly I like it a lil, but not as a Camaro.
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Old 02-13-2014, 01:31 PM   #82
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And yeah, let us insult the taste and desires of the Camaro community to make up for our design being disliked. Easy fix, right? You have some skills, and are going places, but you are not designing a Camaro in these renders... I'm sorry, but it is true. Would it be an acceptable show for a car, yes, but an accurate representation of the evolution of the Camaro? No
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Just a quick note.. Your render looks no more or less like a Camaro than brunogadget's...
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Old 02-13-2014, 05:32 PM   #84
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For the second gen of a car, there is no evolution I follow, so I don't know what to tell you! And I never said that rear render is what I liked... Honestly I like it a lil, but not as a Camaro.
Well we're heading to a second generation of the 5th gen so there wouldn't necessarily be an evolution? Not sure what point you were making then.

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And yeah, let us insult the taste and desires of the Camaro community to make up for our design being disliked. Easy fix, right? You have some skills, and are going places, but you are not designing a Camaro in these renders... I'm sorry, but it is true. Would it be an acceptable show for a car, yes, but an accurate representation of the evolution of the Camaro? No
When you say things like wow and get over it, those are terms that come across as condescending contempt which of course is insulting. I responded to your challenge with images to show that the back of the concept car I'd posted did in fact look much more like the back of a 1969 Camaro than it was being given credit for.

I'm not insulting the "taste and desires of the Camaro community" because I don't believe the entire Camaro community necessarily wants the same thing. Some want the robot toy car look and some don't. There are no easy fixes here; I'm not seeing anything easy about ANY changes to the 5th gen. It's a challenge I'm wrestling with on each concept version I'm creating. It's like a Catch 22. People say they want a new car to look like a Camaro, but if you make it look like a Camaro from the past they complain it looks "dated". If you give them something new, they complain it doesn't look like a Camaro. If you ask them what they want they don't know; they have no answers. Believe me, I have nothing but the utmost sympathy and respect for what the Camaro design team must be going through.

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Just a quick note.. Your render looks no more or less like a Camaro than brunogadget's...
Just another quick note; it absolutely looks much more like the back of the 1969 Camaro and you know it. I'm not sure why you felt you couldn't acknowledge that.

If enough of the "Camaro community" wants the robot toy car look then I'm sure GM will give that to them. They're in business to make money so they'd have to. Maybe it's time to come up with a new car line, one that's not expensive like the Corvette, not a robot toy car like the "Camaro community" apparently wants, but something sleek, elegant, classy, clean, sporty and ranges from $18,990 to $28,990 tops. Doesn't need a lot of high-tech; keep the costs down so it's reasonably affordable but looks good. With performance Camaros being in the $40k-$75k range that's the territory vettes used to occupy and while that's nice for those that can afford it, it's shutting out the entry-level crowd.

Perhaps it's time for a new entry-level sports/pony car that uses 4 and 6 cylinder engines, gets great mileage, doesn't quite have the power of the Camaro and Corvette, but then it doesn't have the price tag either. Something a new buyer, young buyer, entry-level buyer could afford. Maybe I'll work on a concept for something like that since I apparently don't want what the "Camaro community" wants which is why I'm not thinking of designs that fit.
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Not trying to be condescending, or an ass or anything... You say that I need to admit your render looks more like a 69, and it does, but really, looks far from it regardless.. And why does it matter which looks more like a 69? Also, the second gen of the 5th gen, is the 6th gen, so there should be some evolution, but the second gen, original, had only the first gen to work from, so it had no line of evolving cars to build off
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Old 02-13-2014, 07:57 PM   #86
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Dude, you know what, I really don't wanna be an ass to you. I dig what you are doing, but not sure that the design is fit for the next, or any future Camaro. That is literally all I want to communicate to you. Keep working with the program, better your skills, and take it from there. Sorry for my words spoken earlier, I meant no offense with them.
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Old 02-13-2014, 08:17 PM   #87
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I still think your last rendering is shaping up to be what a future Camaro could look like.
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Not trying to be condescending, or an ass or anything... You say that I need to admit your render looks more like a 69, and it does, but really, looks far from it regardless.. And why does it matter which looks more like a 69? Also, the second gen of the 5th gen, is the 6th gen, so there should be some evolution, but the second gen, original, had only the first gen to work from, so it had no line of evolving cars to build off
My point was simply the back of my render was closer to a 69 Camaro back than Bruno's. The only reason why it mattered in this context was because the back of my concept was described as looking like a Testarossa (which it doesn't) and of not looking like a Camaro which it looked a lot more like than a Testarossa, that was all.

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Dude, you know what, I really don't wanna be an ass to you. I dig what you are doing, but not sure that the design is fit for the next, or any future Camaro. That is literally all I want to communicate to you. Keep working with the program, better your skills, and take it from there. Sorry for my words spoken earlier, I meant no offense with them.
Gotcha and that's cool. It may not be for a Camaro. I'm starting to think it would be worthwhile to have GM create a new class of sports car that's an entry-level below the Camaro since performance Camaro's are getting so expensive.

Feel free to comment; don't think I don't want feedback... all I ask is if at all possible, describe what you don't like and why. If you can give some indication of what you WOULD like to see that would be even better.
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Take your render, throw a v6, or turbo 4 cylinder, and make a small, light rwd enthusiast car, like a brz competitor.
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Take your render, throw a v6, or turbo 4 cylinder, and make a small, light rwd enthusiast car, like a brz competitor.
That might actually be pretty popular. It would basically be going back to the target of the original Camaro; an affordable performance car. People loved them and had a blast customizing and modding them. I think that formula would still work just as well today.

I'm seriously giving that some thought to work up some concepts since I'm not having any luck with Camaro concepts lol.
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Think about this for a second. In 2020 we are at least looking at a refresh of the 6th Gen, if not the 7th Gen Camaro. Compare the 1st Gen to the 3rd Gen Camaro and ask yourself if they look anything alike. Place yourself in 1969 and someone shows you a drawing of a 3rd Gen Camaro...would you say that drawing was a Camaro? I doubt it. If history is a guide, then the Camaro of 6-7 years from now will not look much like what we have now.

Keep it up Doc, you've got some interesting ideas.
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Think about this for a second. In 2020 we are at least looking at a refresh of the 6th Gen, if not the 7th Gen Camaro. Compare the 1st Gen to the 3rd Gen Camaro and ask yourself if they look anything alike. Place yourself in 1969 and someone shows you a drawing of a 3rd Gen Camaro...would you say that drawing was a Camaro? I doubt it. If history is a guide, then the Camaro of 6-7 years from now will not look much like what we have now.

Keep it up Doc, you've got some interesting ideas.
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Trying something a little different. Someone had mentioned wanting more trunk space for golf clubs and such so I decided to try a full hatchback design. I know some are going to freak out and say that makes it look like a Corvette but so what. I don't see that as a negative. A hatchback design has the distinct advantage of more rear storage and easy access to it.

I went for more angular styling as opposed to curves. It still needs some details like door handles and other miscellaneous things so it's not finished. I'm not entirely sold on the front either. Instead of something sleek and streamlined I was going for a heftier look. I mean it's okay, but it doesn't grab me and say "this is it".

This shape works in black which is saying something since black is the most difficult color to work with. It tends to hide detail so it forces the overall shape to stand on it's own without being able to see surface details that might otherwise distract the eye and break up boring overall shapes.

I've done some renders in silver so you can see how much and what type of styling details are actually there.

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Reworked the front. I like this version better.

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I like the previous coupe rear much better than the hatchback version.

Front is looking better to me, but still needs something. I think a little more profile from the side view, similar to current models may help, remove the center grilles making that area look more like a bumper & add a little roundover to the cornors of the lower grille to make it look more natural.

My thoughts for today.
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I for one am counting my lucky stars that none of you are on GM's design team. Those things look like the illicit love child of a 1960's Cadillac Eldorado and a 90's Acura NSX. #lookslikeass
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I for one am counting my lucky stars that none of you are on GM's design team. Those things look like the illicit love child of a 1960's Cadillac Eldorado and a 90's Acura NSX. #lookslikeass
Get a life. #lookslikeass? No, it doesn't look at all like you.
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Doc has done a nice job with renderings. Better than that, I would say a great job. So there,...just sayin'...
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