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Old 03-06-2014, 11:41 AM   #981
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Again you keep saying you won't buy GM if they price them too high. Again I say it's not going to be just GM but ALL manufacturers. So does that mean you just won't buy from GM or not from anyone?
That's exactly what I mean. If my choices in my price range are sporty hatchbacks like Hondas or bland Eco sedans like Toyotas-- and nobody is making the American muscle I want affordable, I might as well buy the Honda!

What I'm saying is don't get rid of what makes American cars great, cause I and I'm sure others don't want a Chevy Camry or a Ford Accord.
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:02 PM   #982
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You're acting as if turbo 4s will completely replace V8s. That's not what's happening at all. If turbo 4s are replacing anything, it's the V6 actually.

We still can't get a 4-cylinder to V8 levels of power without a lot of engineering and technology (which costs money). So the V8 is safe for the foreseeable future.
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:26 PM   #983
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You're acting as if turbo 4s will completely replace V8s. That's not what's happening at all. If turbo 4s are replacing anything, it's the V6 actually.

We still can't get a 4-cylinder to V8 levels of power without a lot of engineering and technology (which costs money). So the V8 is safe for the foreseeable future.
Maybe you are right Fen, and I hope so my friend but when I think of all the people who claim turbo 4's are getting 300+ HP and 300+ TQ and then I look at my wife's 2010 Mustang GT and realize that it has 315HP and less TQ, I think a smaller Mustang with a 2 liter turbo 4 might get marketed as a GT in the future.

What happens when they they make the CAFE rules do arbitrarily high that nothing but 4 bangers and hybrids can do it?

I think that's what they ( the govt) is after.
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:31 PM   #984
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Maybe you are right Fen, and I hope so my friend but when I think of all the people who claim turbo 4's are getting 300+ HP and 300+ TQ and then I look at my wife's 2010 Mustang GT and realize that it has 315HP and less TQ, I think a smaller Mustang with a 2 liter turbo 4 might get marketed as a GT in the future.

What happens when they they make the CAFE rules do arbitrarily high that nothing but 4 bangers and hybrids can do it?

I think that's what they ( the govt) is after.
Ah, but then consider a 2014 Mustang GT is over 400 HP now.

It's just progress. V8s will keep getting more and more powerful and so will smaller engines. 10 years from now, a GT might be hitting 500 HP and doing 30 MPG for all we know.

And hybrids aren't always a bad thing. Case in point:

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Old 03-06-2014, 01:31 PM   #985
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Ah, but then consider a 2014 Mustang GT is over 400 HP now.

It's just progress. V8s will keep getting more and more powerful and so will smaller engines. 10 years from now, a GT might be hitting 500 HP and doing 30 MPG for all we know.

And hybrids aren't always a bad thing. Case in point:

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Old 03-07-2014, 01:15 AM   #986
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...does not matter...gas is bad, oil is bad, coal is bad, off shore drilling is bad, fracking is bad, XL pipeline from CA to US is bad....bad American's using such technology. Thing is we are almost energy independent and the nutjobs trying to keep us from doing it in office need to take a hike. So we take a so called high road while the rest of the developing countries...take China for example, dump the enviornment causing much more global harm than us? Futality, at our expense...
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Old 03-16-2014, 02:04 AM   #987
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No matter how much HP it has a 4cyl will sound like a 4 cyl.... Lame
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:19 AM   #988
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No matter how much HP it has a 4cyl will sound like a 4 cyl.... Lame
Actually there is technology to fix that. It's fake, but I heard a Solstice turbo that was "tuned" electronically to sound like a V8. With this you could make your car sound however you want and never change the exhaust.

But it isn't "genuine" IMO. But it exists.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:11 PM   #989
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As Carroll Shelby initially called the Mustang a "secretary's car" maybe the 4 cylinder is a good move for satisfying all economies especially when gas prices go up.
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Ah, but then consider a 2014 Mustang GT is over 400 HP now.

It's just progress. V8s will keep getting more and more powerful and so will smaller engines. 10 years from now, a GT might be hitting 500 HP and doing 30 MPG for all we know.

And hybrids aren't always a bad thing. Case in point:

Saw that gorgeous car on Top Gear. The batteries actually complement the big V8, kicking in a times when it's most needed. AMAZING!
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Old 03-19-2014, 01:00 AM   #991
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Why not the turbocharged V6 from the CTS? 420 hp and 0-60 in 4.4? 16/24 mpg?
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I'd like to see the 6th Gen Max out @ around 3,400lbs .... (just wishing)
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Old 03-19-2014, 08:55 PM   #993
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4 cyl with turbo would be okay....but there's nothing sweeter than listening to that v8 engine
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Old 03-21-2014, 04:34 PM   #994
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Again you keep saying you won't buy GM if they price them too high. Again I say it's not going to be just GM but ALL manufacturers. So does that mean you just won't buy from GM or not from anyone?
Jumping in here...

Why buy a 4 cylinder sports car though? At that point doesn't a truck, Jeep (or SUV) or entry-level luxury sedan sound better? Or heck, buying a 10 year old car that still has it's original high-HP engine?
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