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Old 02-23-2014, 01:51 AM   #51
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The 6th gen should be the star of '15's NYIAS!!! Can't wait.
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:49 AM   #52
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Look at the release of the 2015 ATS Coupe as a harbinger of the 2016 Camaro. GM will want to shake out the Coupe's build in the factory. Smooth out wrinkles in production.
Economies of scale could indicate the Camaro will be right on its heels.

2015 Mustang wheelbase is 107.1", 3500 lbs. Adding the IRS cancelled all weight loss elsewhere. Nearly a net zero pounds change from the 2014. Wheelbase did not change.
Platform is fundamentally unchanged. Contrary to Ford intentional disinformation, for 2005, the Mustang was NOT based on the DEW/LS/Thunderbird/Jaguar platform and was designed from scratch. There was not enough structural support for the larger V8 blocks, superchargers, et al. Which is why you never saw a 4.6 liter in an LS Lincoln. The investment in the Mustang platform still needs to be milStiked. GM has known this for some time. So take that as a target to meet or BEAT.

The pictures of the back seat of the ATS Coupe remind me of my 2006 Mustang GT.
The ATS wheelbase is 109.3...size often is an indicator of weight. Do not expect the Camaro to be larger than that. The Camaro needs to lose 250 lbs just to break even with the Mustang as it was/is an excellent design. The ATS Coupe is the direction...and a VERY good one for Camaro.
The only concern would be the space available for the larger motors. BUT...I've seen V-8s in VEGAs and Monzas. (Not Las Vegas).
Current CTS Coupe is 500lbs over a reasonable target weight...and it is being carried over (so I hear)...it is already 250 over the average Camaro. There is a next-gen CTS SEDAN is coming, but the ATS-Camaro will come first. (if I read everything right.)

Soooooo.....the ATS Coupe is a VERY CONSERVATIVE car to not scare customers away, and the Camaro will likely be "Extroverted". Let us hope and pray it doesn't have the Mustang's new nose, cheese-slicer-carved back end, and 7 lines just to define the hood.
Busy and ugly we don't want. Elegant, Definitive, Recognizable, Extroverted should be the goals.

Mustang sales went up in January after people saw the busy-ugly new one.
There is no official weight on the Mustang 15' because its heavier. And there was a V8 Lincoln LS. And the Mustang do not weight 3500lbs...its like saying the 5th gen weight 3699lbs.

The only lighter Mustang is the 4cyl, it seems.
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Old 02-23-2014, 09:51 AM   #53
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If the cars selling why would they make another gen? It seems like the last gen of vettes stuck around forever (and felt dated )
Oh please tell me you're not serious.
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Old 02-23-2014, 07:22 PM   #54
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It's hard to say. It's a little odd that we haven't seen a mule or anything yet.

Once the IVERs are out, it'll be about a year to reveal.
I'd be willing to bet there are some Camaro-chassi-fied ATSs rolling around that nobody would ever recognize...

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On December 19, 2012 GM announced that the Camaro would return to being made in America, as production of the Camaro would be shifted to the Lansing Grand River Assembly Plant in Michigan, citing "lower capital investment and improved production efficiencies" as "key factors" in the move.[22] This move is expected to start in late 2015 or early 2016.[23]

So I guess we'll see spy pics in dec/jan 2015? Should be earlier. Yet no true concept has come out yet. I'd have to say this yr if we don't see actual pics of either spy or a true concept it won't be a 2016.

The camaro concept revealed itself in 06, production began in 09. Of course that's bringing back a car and not just a new design. December we should have news on it.
Most continuing-production cars do not have a "true concept". Don't look for one - it probably will never be viewed by public eyes (if it exists if full-sized form at all)
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:46 AM   #55
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...something is fishy In Denmark no doubt.....we are closer than one would like to think <it's being played verrry close to the vest>...and to the why we gotta change crowd...I bet they said the same freakin' thing about Model A's............sheeesh.
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:49 AM   #56
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I may be going out on a limb, but maybe a Z/28 is in store? Lol
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:21 AM   #57
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I was looking when orders for the 2015 Camaro start on http://www.edmunds.com/model-year-changes/2015/ and i noticed it says it will be redesigned. Keeping in mind this is a prediction makes me wonder what could change.

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Camaro - Mid 2014 - Redesign
It also says "Corvette - Mid 14 - Carryover"
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Old 02-24-2014, 04:31 PM   #58
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If they do a mid year re-design after they just released the new "re-designed" Camaro for 2014, I see the 2014 being (possibly) a rare collectors car in about 30 years?
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Old 02-24-2014, 05:24 PM   #59
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If they do a mid year re-design after they just released the new "re-designed" Camaro for 2014, I see the 2014 being (possibly) a rare collectors car in about 30 years?
Ehhh you think ppl will WANT that in 30yrs? Sure the 2014s would be rare, but its not overly different form 2010-2013. The tailights are the most noticeable difference along with the hood vent. Thats not enough to WANT THAT car in 30 yrs IMO.
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Ehhh you think ppl will WANT that in 30yrs? Sure the 2014s would be rare, but its not overly different form 2010-2013. The tailights are the most noticeable difference along with the hood vent. Thats not enough to WANT THAT car in 30 yrs IMO.
Yeah I know, I was just throwing it out there!
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Old 02-25-2014, 01:09 PM   #61
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I plan to get a 2014 1LE and keep it for 30 years! Just like I did my 1982 Z28! It is 32 years old not, 78K original miles, showroom condition, seen snow once in its entire life! You are right...not many people want it either and it is 30+ years old and the first year they made the gen 3 Camaro...1982. I do get a hell of a lot of looks when I cruise in it though, that's for sure! Not sure how much it will get driven when I get my 2014 either...like it was ever driven much anyway, but will probably be even less!
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I plan to get a 2014 1LE and keep it for 30 years! Just like I did my 1982 Z28! It is 32 years old not, 78K original miles, showroom condition, seen snow once in its entire life! You are right...not many people want it either and it is 30+ years old and the first year they made the gen 3 Camaro...1982. I do get a hell of a lot of looks when I cruise in it though, that's for sure! Not sure how much it will get driven when I get my 2014 either...like it was ever driven much anyway, but will probably be even less!
So what are you going to do? Just look at them? LOL Is that enough satisfaction? When I have time, I drive mine. I dont care how many miles it has on it. As long as it looks clean and well kept, Miles are just a number. Ins companies and appraisers put a number to give it some kind of value. But in the eyes of the beholder, miles dont mean shit if it runs well, well maintained,and looks close to perfect. Youre not enjoying your cars if youre bragging about how low mileage you have IMO. I could have a '67 SS L78 factory original and I'd be putting miles upon miles on it. I dont care what anyone else would think. Its there to drive and I get my enjoyment from driving it and keeping it looking nice.
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Old 02-28-2014, 01:44 AM   #63
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...for 2015...nothing...tumbleweeds across the road....they already refreshed the '14...now, going forward for anyone having any unrealistic expectations for 2015...no power mods, no interior reworkings, no exterior changes, and Heaven Above All else there will be nothing Earth shattering different of any kind. Possibly a minor glitzy tweak of some kind that will be hardly noteworthy. The '16 is where we start again, a fresh start on a clean sheet of paper for something new and exciting. Ands that where we are at, chillin', sittin' back and waiting for the next deal.
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