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Old 01-15-2014, 01:07 PM   #1
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Interesting Read

http://www.torquenews.com/106/2014-s...toppable-force

Interesting thoughts, and in my opinion, he is probably pretty accurate.
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Old 01-15-2014, 07:26 PM   #2
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I've felt the same for a long time. The LT1 is the cats meow.

Even if Ford throws 450HP at the new 5.0, it will still not match the max torque and fantastic torque curve of the LT1. I don't think in the end that the Camaro will weigh a lot more than the Mustang if any, so I can't wait to see what happens.
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I think if GM can get the weight down enough on the 6th gen and doesn't water down the power on the LT1 to keep Vette guys happy, they have the chance to outclass the Mustang in both the 1/4 mile and around a track. GM has a huge opportunity and I expect them to take full advantage of it.
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The Vette will still weigh less than the Camaro so having the same motor shouldn't be a problem.
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Old 01-16-2014, 10:43 AM   #5
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The Vette will still weigh less than the Camaro so having the same motor shouldn't be a problem.
Yet they still water down the Camaro engines.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:39 PM   #6
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Bring it on. But Ford won't settle for that. They will bring out something equivalent to the LT1. Then GM will have to engineer something with more power.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:44 PM   #7
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Bring it on. But Ford won't settle for that. They will bring out something equivalent to the LT1. Then GM will have to engineer something with more power.
Don't ya love competition ? In the end, everyone wins.
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Old 01-16-2014, 12:55 PM   #8
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Im not worried, they almost defy the laws of physics with the 5th gen. When they apply that magic to an alpha based Camaro, good things will happen.
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As long as I can remember going back to 1993 the Vette and Camaro have always had the same base engine and transmission (exception L99) so why would that change now. I'm sorry, but this doesn't look like news to me. New would be if the Camaro had a different engine or a lower HP version which GM hasn't really cared about for awhile now, there used to be a time when they didn't want to offend Vette owners but that time has long passed. The Vette is a totally different animal.

Same goes for "news" about the Camaro sharing the same chasis as the ATS and weighing less than the current platform...not news unless that changes.
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Old 01-16-2014, 02:09 PM   #10
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Yet they still water down the Camaro engines.
What year was the last time GM did this? 2001 with a 25hp difference. That was 13 years ago. The 2002 Vette had the new LS2 and the 2002 SS had the old LS1 so they don't count. Of course the Camaro was gone until 2010 but that doesn't help- my case so I'll stop here.
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Yet they still water down the Camaro engines.
I disagree. If you look at the most recent Camaros. The ZL1 and Z28 both received engines that were in other cars that ended up with more power. The LSA in the ZL1 has better parts and is good for more HP than the 556hp version in the CTS-V and the LS7 in the Z28 has more TQ than the version in the out going Z06.

The Camaro team has said before that there is no rule that a Camaro or any car for that matter can't have more power than a Corvette. Quite frankly if there's a business case for it then they are gonna sell it!
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Old 01-16-2014, 03:18 PM   #12
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Yea was gonna comment about that watered down engine opinion. I dont agree with that at all. Big O was even quoted on saying that he has never been told to not step on the toes of the vette guys. The corvette isnt keeping the camaro back in terms of performance. It the goal of trying to keep it at a certain price range
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ford will bring big numbers from the 5.0
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Ford has already mentioned they were not interested in being the top dog anymore. They just want to sell well globally hence the look of the new body style. Shouldn't be hard for the Camaro to continue outselling Mustangs with the 6th gen. GM hopefully will take full advantage for the next gen.
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What year was the last time GM did this? 2001 with a 25hp difference. That was 13 years ago. The 2002 Vette had the new LS2 and the 2002 SS had the old LS1 so they don't count. Of course the Camaro was gone until 2010 but that doesn't help- my case so I'll stop here.
The Corvette didn't get a LS2 engine until the C6 came out, 2005 model year. But yea it's been awhile!
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I think if GM can get the weight down enough on the 6th gen and doesn't water down the power on the LT1 to keep Vette guys happy, they have the chance to outclass the Mustang in both the 1/4 mile and around a track. GM has a huge opportunity and I expect them to take full advantage of it.
I feel like GM learned their lesson on the weight difference between the current Muffstain and Camaro. We know ford is stepping up handling on the new Stain, so I think that the new Camaro will be lighter indeed. I hope, really hope, that it's lighter than the Muffstain. But as Fbodfather has pointed out, Muffstain is ford's Camaro and Corvette, so they can go wide open on it.

Either way, from a performance stand point, I think the 6th gen Camaro is going to be completely bada$$.
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I personally like the new mustang very much, more so from a styling standpoint than anything else. I'm sure the performance will be killer, but not better than the next gen Camaro. The new LT series motors are outstanding (except for DI which I HATE), and I don't feel Ford's improved Roadrunner-based 5.0 can outperform an LT1 Camaro SS or hi-po LT4 based model. And, as far as chassis are concerned, both will sport vastly improved platforms.

With that said, however, I'm truly concerned with the styling design direction the next gen Camaro may take. I love the 5thgen (pre-2014 only) because it was basically a modern interpretation of the 1st gen. I just don't feel the new design can be as big of a home run as the 5thgen, imo.
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I feel like GM learned their lesson on the weight difference between the current Muffstain and Camaro.
I don't see it as GM learning their lesson. GM had no choice but to use the chasis the Camaro is on as it was the only chasis available for the Camaro at the time. It was either go with a heavy Camaro or no Camaro at all. They knew going into it that weight was an issue and dealt with as best as they could. Now both Mustang and Camaro will be on level playing fields...the mustang with IRS and the Camaro with less weight.

As for looks, the only thing I don't like about the current Mustang is the rear. Now they took everything I hated about the rear and exaggerated it, so I do not like the rear even more now. Maybe it will look better in person
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Old 02-17-2014, 05:44 AM   #19
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I think GM should build Camaro using same material used in vette. carbon fiber and aluminum frame. lighten the load and apply the best engine. if the Ford comment about horsepower is true, we're in trouble. in the long term everyone will have less power..
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What year was the last time GM did this? 2001 with a 25hp difference. That was 13 years ago. The 2002 Vette had the new LS2 and the 2002 SS had the old LS1 so they don't count. Of course the Camaro was gone until 2010 but that doesn't help- my case so I'll stop here.
If Camaros were still produced in 2005, pretty sure it would have been powered by the LS2. There was no more LS1/6 in anything in 05; they swapped a LS2 in all hp/performance application CTS-V/Trailblazer SS/ Vette/SSR/etc. Other engines were truck specific, made of iron.

The Camaro will always be too heavy to outperform the Vette with the same power output.

If GM ever decide to offer 2 V8 engines in the next Camaro, they rather sell the 5.3l version at a really really, really low price, because its going to be embarrassment for the name of the car. I dont see how they could lower the price that much cause they would need to use the same powertrain as the LT1 if they want this setup to be reliable.
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