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Old 01-13-2014, 12:20 AM   #18
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It all boils down to cost. What will have the lowest cost, a different/new engine or upgrading the existing engine? And there is more involved in the cost than just the price difference between the two motors.
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Old 01-13-2014, 09:25 AM   #19
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At least GM can do is make a concept Camaro with all the goodies of the Z06 power plant.
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Old 01-13-2014, 10:36 AM   #20
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That new Z06 2015 Corvette is just awesome. I'll take one in Silver please!
And 8-Speed! Would love to drive that auto in manual mode to see how it responds using the paddle shifters.

Wonder if the dealers will allow test drives?

A lot of these new performance cars are 'you gotta buy to test drive'. Don't blame them really, too many tire kickers. Admittedly me being one .
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:02 AM   #21
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yup sweet! just watched reveal!
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:13 AM   #22
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I personally did not like the look of the stock C7 (for me it was kind of boring and plain) but this is more my speed. (Darn thing looks like a pure race car.) GM you have peaked my interested. More info please.
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Old 01-13-2014, 12:41 PM   #23
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If time has taught us anything first they'll need to show off a 6th gen. That will most likely have an LT1. Then they'll make the convertible. Then a year later they will come out with a 1LE,ZL1,Z28 or what ever. There's a lot of time between then and now so what those get is still up in the air.

GM has always said there is no rule in place that the corvette has to have more HP than everything else. Like the LSA in the current ZL1 and the LS7 in the Z28 both have more power in them then the cars that had those engines first. So there's no reason that won't happen again.
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Old 01-14-2014, 02:46 PM   #24
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GM has always said there is no rule in place that the corvette has to have more HP than everything else. Like the LSA in the current ZL1 and the LS7 in the Z28 both have more power in them then the cars that had those engines first.
LSA: I'll agree. The ZL1 has 580 vs 556 in the CTS-V
LS7: I'll disagree. The Z/28 has an even 500 where the Z06 had 505. I know....big whoop over 5 hp.
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,,if they put a N/A LS7 motor, which has been made a ton of times since '06 if my memory serves me correctly, which has payed for itself times over, into the Z/28 which is costing a ton... compared to a LT4, or another new DI motor,...a new fresh design that had recouped nothing as of yet...in a Camaro....the cost will be astronomincal. As if the Z/28 wasn't priced high enough. Not to mention placing a nex gen in a ZL1. Sorry, after seeing the cost increase trend as of late....the only affordable solution for the masses may be a TT V6....they are passing on initial investments like they did back with the original ZL1....directly to the consumer.
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Old 01-28-2014, 09:21 PM   #26
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If time has taught us anything first they'll need to show off a 6th gen. That will most likely have an LT1. Then they'll make the convertible. Then a year later they will come out with a 1LE,ZL1,Z28 or what ever. There's a lot of time between then and now so what those get is still up in the air.

GM has always said there is no rule in place that the corvette has to have more HP than everything else. Like the LSA in the current ZL1 and the LS7 in the Z28 both have more power in them then the cars that had those engines first. So there's no reason that won't happen again.
Not so sure I agree. Chevy has always made sure the Corvette was top of the heap and had a faster version. Yes the ZL1 has more punch than the Z06 of the same year but the ZR1 was bigger still. Will we see a hopped up version of the ZL, I certainly hope so but not before they make sure there is a faster Corvette.

Other manufacturers have learned about cannibalizing sales with different products.
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Old 01-29-2014, 11:05 AM   #27
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My guess is look at the Caddies to see what will happen. The current engines are closer to the CTS engines then the Corvette engines. I imagine thats probably going to be the same. They might pop up in the new Caddy line and follow in the Camaros a year or two later. But thats just my guess.
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Old 01-29-2014, 07:39 PM   #28
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If time has taught us anything first they'll need to show off a 6th gen. That will most likely have an LT1. Then they'll make the convertible. Then a year later they will come out with a 1LE,ZL1,Z28 or what ever. There's a lot of time between then and now so what those get is still up in the air.

GM has always said there is no rule in place that the corvette has to have more HP than everything else. Like the LSA in the current ZL1 and the LS7 in the Z28 both have more power in them then the cars that had those engines first. So there's no reason that won't happen again.
Ben Franklin said, believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear. The Vette will always be over top of the Camaro...as long as they both exist.
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Old 03-25-2014, 04:43 PM   #29
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(Highlighted for you) the ATS seems a tad shorter and more narrow than the current Camaro and offers no V8 option. Although the twin turbo with AWD would be nice a nice option.

GM will do to the Camaro what Ford has done to the 2015 Mustang it'll be BUTT ugly and most likely lose sales to the point they cancel the car AGAIN IMHO.
Listening is an amazing skill. The Alpha platform was DESIGNED to fit a small block V8. The exterior dimensions of a car have nothing to do with what engine will fit in it. Any LS or LT engine will fit in the Alpha platform.
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GM has always said there is no rule in place that the corvette has to have more HP than everything else. Like the LSA in the current ZL1 and the LS7 in the Z28 both have more power in them then the cars that had those engines first. So there's no reason that won't happen again.
Well, the LSA is not the LS9, so your theory ends there.

As for the LS7 in the Z/28, they literally had no other option.

Until I see the LT4 sitting in a next gen ZL1 at the same power level as the Z06, I will continue to believe that Chevy will put upper tier Corvette engines in the Camaro unless no other realistic option exists.
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Old 03-26-2014, 03:59 PM   #31
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Well with Ford one upping Chevy with the GT500, I'm sure the ZL1 will get more power soon.
Yeah that was my disappointment with the Z/28. Yeah it is an AMAZING car and it'll beat any mustang on a track, but stock vs stock, the GT500 will beat it in a straight line. Even the ZL1 will win.
I know its a track car but I watched an interview when the Z/28 was first announced and they said they wanted to build a car that will beat any car that ford can put on the street. With that said I was assuming it would be better in all categories. They need to keep the ZL1 and upgrade and make it a faster 1/4 mile. If ford can do it Chevy can.
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Yeah that was my disappointment with the Z/28. Yeah it is an AMAZING car and it'll beat any mustang on a track, but stock vs stock, the GT500 will beat it in a straight line. Even the ZL1 will win.
I know its a track car but I watched an interview when the Z/28 was first announced and they said they wanted to build a car that will beat any car that ford can put on the street. With that said I was assuming it would be better in all categories. They need to keep the ZL1 and upgrade and make it a faster 1/4 mile. If ford can do it Chevy can.
Chevy did not have a powerplant that they could use to out run the GT500. Even the LS9 is 24 HP down on the Trinity 5.8.
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