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Old 01-14-2014, 03:03 PM   #1
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2015 ATS Coupe is 3418 lbs

Predictor for the '16 Gen6? Lots of equipment on that car too.

http://t.autos.msn.com/shows/detroit...e-first-look-1
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Old 01-14-2014, 03:12 PM   #2
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Predictor for the '16 Gen6? Lots of equipment on that car too.

http://t.autos.msn.com/shows/detroit...e-first-look-1
I would say that it is a pretty good indicator of what range to expect.
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Old 01-14-2014, 03:12 PM   #3
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As the first Alpha-platform coupe, this ATS is obviously of interest to us Camaro fans.

I'm certainly not blown away by this car, but it looks okay. Seems a little conservative, as it looks pretty much how many renderers imagined it would look.

I hope they'll be a little more aggressive with the Camaro.
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Old 01-14-2014, 03:19 PM   #4
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A 6th Gen Camaro with an 450-460 HP LT1 engine that is 400-500 pounds less than the current model ?! WIN WIN WIN
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that is the 4 cyl model, but even so a V6 and V8 Camaro should be at a good weight.
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that is the 4 cyl model, but even so a V6 and V8 Camaro should be at a good weight.
The LTG is supposed to weigh in at 360 lbs and the LFX weighs in at 365 lbs, so the V6 should come in at a very similar weight unless they add AWD to that model.
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Old 01-14-2014, 03:55 PM   #7
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The current 1LE is 3860 lbs; the V-6 3719 lbs. We might be looking at a 200 lb increase for the V-8 + stouter components over the 4-cyl.

Let's hope GM can keep the 400 lb spread for the '16 through design and less electronics, sound deadening, etc. That's the good part about it being a Chevy.
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Old 01-14-2014, 07:55 PM   #8
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Ford just dropped 800lbs of the new 2015 F150 !! Aluminum body, Chevy has some catching up to do.
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A 6th Gen Camaro with an 450-460 HP LT1 engine that is 400-500 pounds less than the current model ?! WIN WIN WIN
We can't expect the V8 equipped 6th gen to come in at that weight. Expect something at least 3,550 to 3,600 lbs. I'm fairly certain that 3,418 is with the turbo 4 cylinder.

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The LTG is supposed to weigh in at 360 lbs and the LFX weighs in at 365 lbs, so the V6 should come in at a very similar weight unless they add AWD to that model.
I hope you are right! That would be great. Although on the ATS sedan, all the specs I've read put the V6 version at another 50 - 70 or so lbs more than the turbo version, and I don't see why it would make any difference in the sedan versus the coupe. It could be that the V6 version just had more options like magnetic ride or something.

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Ford just dropped 800lbs of the new 2015 F150 !! Aluminum body, Chevy has some catching up to do.
I've read up to 700 on the biggest models. The smaller models are less. If that's all true its still pretty damn impressive, but the Chevy was already three or four hundred lbs lighter than the Ford was.


Anyways...back to 6th gen Camaro. All this weight estimation is assuming the use the same chassis, and instead not a slightly larger version (like the CTS rides on). But if the ATS and 6th gen are going to be built in the same house as was reported on before, then I'd guess they'd be building on the same chassis....maybe, maybe not.

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Anyways...back to 6th gen Camaro. All this weight estimation is assuming the use the same chassis, and instead not a slightly larger version (like the CTS rides on). But if the ATS and 6th gen are going to be built in the same house as was reported on before, then I'd guess they'd be building on the same chassis....maybe, maybe not.
But they're making the new CTS at Lansing Grand River as well, right?

With that said, I certainly hope that the new Camaro is more ATS-sized than CTS-sized. If it's as big as a CTS, kiss goodbye any significant weight loss.
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Ford just dropped 800lbs of the new 2015 F150 !! Aluminum body, Chevy has some catching up to do.
Gm is already working on ways to lighten up the vehicles without loosing strenghth and trying to keep cost under controll...
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But they're making the new CTS at Lansing Grand River as well, right?

With that said, I certainly hope that the new Camaro is more ATS-sized than CTS-sized. If it's as big as a CTS, kiss goodbye any significant weight loss.
Even IF the next gen Camaro utilizes the CTS wheelbase and shorter overhangs to maintain current size, some weight loss will occur, but you're right it wouldn't be significant. Also, even at that size the Alpha chassis'd Camaro will still run circles around the Zeta2 car that's available now.
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Old 01-15-2014, 11:35 PM   #13
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I hope the next gen Camaro comes in that color of Blue also. Love that Blue.
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Add 200 lbs to this number (for SS gear) and your only 200 lbs shy of a current SS
Seems kind of negligible
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Even 200 pounds lighter plus Alpha's superior chassis dynamics would make the 6th gen a vastly better car.
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Old 02-13-2014, 12:17 PM   #16
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Even 200 pounds lighter plus Alpha's superior chassis dynamics would make the 6th gen a vastly better car.
Completely agree! It should make for a much better driver's car.

That would put the 6th gen SS at 3,650 to 3,700 +. Still a bit on the heavy side in my opinion, but I think that Cadillac has some equipment and sound insulation that the Camaros may not get, so you can maybe subtract some weight from there.

I still think if they put the 6th gen on the same chasis as ATS we could see the SS come in at the 3,550 to 3,650 range, but if they put it on the longer version I don't think it will hit that weight.

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Something to keep in mind from a handling standpoint besides weight, is weight:wheel ratio. 1LE for example - ~3850lbs., but it has 10" and 11" wheels - total weight divided by total wheel width is 91-92lbs per in.
Current ATS has 8's and 9's - to have the same lbs/in, the car would have to weigh 3130lbs.
A real win would be decreasing weight (especially front weight), decreasing overall size (including wheelbase), maintaining or increasing power, and not hamstringing it with narrow wheels. Good width wheels are a key element of the current Camaro having fared so well in its various handling-based matchups; if the 6th Gen loses 300lbs. but gets the ATS wheel widths, it will probably not possess the handling limits of the 1LE+ class 5th Gens.
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Old 02-15-2014, 09:46 AM   #18
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How many of you guys have even sat in an ATS? It's a verrrrrry small car compared to the Camaro.

Just make sure you realize that with the lower weight would come Cruze sized Camaro.

Also Ford's use of aluminium is nothing special. GM was way ahead of Ford in full size pickup weight. Ford had the catching up to do. And aluminium panels are more expensive to replace and repair. Insurance costs "may" be impacted by this choice. The market will tell, but GM had aluminium panels on many vehicles and removed them (Liftgates for example) because the cost benefit wasn't there.
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