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Old 10-22-2013, 07:40 PM   #137
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These vents aren't just for brakes. In addition to brake cooling my concept calls for the transmission and differential coolers to be back there too; one for each side. This makes for a much shorter plumbing run for the coolers and moves the weight from the very front of the car (where you don't want it) to the back axle which would help with overall weight balance. The shorter lines would also weigh less and require less coolant which would save weight.

If you played with the vent styles like I have, then you do understand why I settled on this particular design. This is a no-frills performance design; not a show car design.
Well if its for all that function than I am good with it. Still looks mid engine, not that that is a bad thing. Like I said before I like it.






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You know I've spent some time looking into a front vent like that and I've decided not to go that route for several reasons. One, the engine compartment heat would vent out the top anyways (heat rises) so in addition to a working hood vent system, I'm also looking into a fender vent system of some kind. Two, since I started thinking about it I've been looking at other cars on the road and I've seen that front side-vent style used heavily on Dodge cars, and a LOT of other cars have variations on that theme including the new Stingray. Because it's so "trendy" and I don't think actually does all that much, I'm not going that route to help keep this Camaro design looking unique and more purposeful. (Don't take that personally; I know you've really been set on a side vent of some kind. I could probably put whatever design you think would look good on a version and do some renderings for you if you want to have them for wallpapers or something.)
Thank you but you are putting enough work into this already. I don't know about trendy, I just think the vent actually is functional and also helps define the front fender and body indent. Your rear vents look great but if I was going to go without rear vents then I would want something similar to what I did with the front that's all.




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And now for some revisions...

I made a complete duplicate of the original project file and I'm playing with some variations. For this version I've gone with my original idea of the rear fender flowing almost straight into the rear winglets. I've lowered the hood bulge profile to make the front of the car look less bulky. A lot of little tweaks and adjustments to make the overall car look more unified and less like a 3-piece design with the front, middle and back not feeling quite like they're connected. I think this was what some commenters were seeing when they were saying that the side view looked "off" somehow.

Here you can see on this white rendering the new rear fender line.

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This render shows the front with the less bulky hood.

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And of course, Blue Angel next generation. (It took quite awhile to figure out how to get the right color blue enamel-look but this is pretty close!)

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I think the outside of the car is just about done. The hood vent system and door handles are next and that's about it for the outside. Now I need to put in a steering wheel and get something going for the dash and interior.

Then after all that's done, start working on wings and aero pieces for the Z/28.

Ok now I like that Blue Angel treatment and the body line on that back 3/4 shot. However I like the body line on the side shot of the orange car before......go figure..lol
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Old 10-24-2013, 04:10 AM   #138
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These are radiosity renders; they're the most accurate but they take half an hour each for my computer to render the image.

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Old 10-24-2013, 05:35 PM   #139
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Extremely square and ugly . Sorry but you are going backwards.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:13 PM   #140
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Doc, seeing the design in 3d really makes that fascia look like a slab. I wonder if you edited the 2d model to open the front end a bit. Here's a very quick edit of your sketch.



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Old 10-24-2013, 08:05 PM   #141
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Extremely square and ugly . Sorry but you are going backwards.
If you think this looks "square and ugly"... well okay, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

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Doc, seeing the design in 3d really makes that fascia look like a slab. I wonder if you edited the 2d model to open the front end a bit. Here's a very quick edit of your sketch.

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The current front as-is doesn't bother me but I can certainly move up those elements you pointed out and see how it looks. The majority of this current front style was the result of ALLTRBO's suggestion in the first place so input and feedback does matter.
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:10 PM   #142
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Doc, seeing the design in 3d really makes that fascia look like a slab. I wonder if you edited the 2d model to open the front end a bit. Here's a very quick edit of your sketch.

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Okay based on your suggestion I raised the front cutouts. I left the license plate and top edges of the lower LED's where they were originally so you can see how much I raised the cutouts. I didn't go as radical as you did; the crash bumper still has to be in the front so this leaves room for it. Does this look better to you?

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Old 10-24-2013, 10:19 PM   #143
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Okay based on your suggestion I raised the front cutouts. I left the license plate and top edges of the lower LED's where they were originally so you can see how much I raised the cutouts. I didn't go as radical as you did; the crash bumper still has to be in the front so this leaves room for it. Does this look better to you?

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I think the change is noticeble, but too subtle in my opinion, to address the visual mass of that front bumper. But thank you for entertaining my suggestion and interpreting it into your model.
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Old 10-25-2013, 01:33 PM   #144
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I think the change is noticeble, but too subtle in my opinion, to address the visual mass of that front bumper. But thank you for entertaining my suggestion and interpreting it into your model.
Patience padawan. It takes a bit to figure out what to change, how and how much. Here's a further revision; I moved the entire upper front of the car down some and revised the front fender line. I also made some changes to the brake cooling cutouts in front to help balance out the upper bumper area.

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Just so you can appreciate what's required to make changes of this size, here's what I see on my computer screen when I'm working on this:

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It takes awhile to think about what I want to change and how to do it without messing everything up. There are a lot of subtle details in the mesh that I have to keep track of and change accordingly to follow changes made elsewhere.


If you look at the current 2014 refresh front, what mine looks like now with the revised front bumper area is not all that much different than the 2014.

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Wow really liking the red and black! I have been following this thread for awhile now and it just keeps getting better and better. Thank you Doc for everything you do. I know this stuff probably isn't easy by any means. I definitely give props to you.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:08 PM   #146
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Wow really liking the red and black! I have been following this thread for awhile now and it just keeps getting better and better. Thank you Doc for everything you do. I know this stuff probably isn't easy by any means. I definitely give props to you.
Thank you! I have more plans for the black and red one. I want the Z/28 version to basically look like a street-legal SR-71.


After working with this new front I think I like it better than the old one. I like the new front fender line; visually it feels like it fits better with the overall side profile.

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Obviously I don't have a dash or steering wheel in place yet but here's the driver's view:

Looking straight forward; both the side and interior rear view mirrors are visible.
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Looking to the driver's left you can see the improved visibility for corners.
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If you turned and looked over your shoulder to see behind you, this is the view looking towards the rear quarter area. As you can see the blind spot is much less than the current 5th gen.
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Out of curiosity Doc - do you think it'd be able to keep not having a B-pillar for production?

Only reason I ask is because the 5th gen concept didn't have a B pillar - and yet we got stuck with one
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Out of curiosity Doc - do you think it'd be able to keep not having a B-pillar for production?

Only reason I ask is because the 5th gen concept didn't have a B pillar - and yet we got stuck with one
Probably not. I'm sure there's either a side-impact and/or crash rollover regulation that requires a B pillar. I probably should put one in there just to see what it would do to the visibility and visual appearance.
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Probably not. I'm sure there's either a side-impact and/or crash rollover regulation that requires a B pillar. I probably should put one in there just to see what it would do to the visibility and visual appearance.
Would it be a lot of work to render it? If it is I can PS one in.
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Would it be a lot of work to render it? If it is I can PS one in.
Here are a couple of snapshots with a B pillar. Not sure how big to make it so it may be too small, but you can definitely see it here. It does cut down the space of the quarter window but it probably has to be there because of some regulation.

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Yes....not that is closer to the front end that I've been hoping you'd do! lol

There was just too much distance between the top grill and lower inlets...especially on the sides so that really helps clean it up!
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Here are a couple of snapshots with a B pillar. Not sure how big to make it so it may be too small, but you can definitely see it here. It does cut down the space of the quarter window but it probably has to be there because of some regulation.

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No it does not have to be there because of regulations but it does make it easier and cheaper to meet the rollover regulations. I am pretty sure there are still cars built without the B pillar that meet the rollover standards.
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Here are the latest revisions. Slight changes made to the front, front splitter, outside mirror location, and other small changes.

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