09-19-2013, 11:01 AM | #323 |
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double bubble roof for the win!! lol
(not saying I like alltrbo's entire design better than your's Doc...just saying I like the roof with character) Good stuff guys.
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09-19-2013, 11:05 AM | #324 |
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09-19-2013, 11:48 AM | #325 | |
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Using the 6" tall license plate as a ruler of sorts, you can see what the actual heights would be for various elements on the cars. Dimensions are in inches. At 5" there isn't much ground clearance even on mine which is the non-lowered version. At 4" yours is quite low; okay for a track car but probably too low for a daily driver. From the ground to the bottom of the upper grill on yours is 19"; that's the distance from the ground to the center of my knee (I'm 5' 11") to give you an idea how low this really is. To the top of the upper grill is only 24"; a stock Camaro is about 30" so a 6" drop is quite a bit. Mine is only 2.5" taller but that could make the difference between radiators, and various hardware fitting or not. Your raised hood bulge in the center would probably be enough to allow the engine and it's hardware to fit. Assemblies on the side of the engine might be a little tight. At 47" for yours and 48" for mine, the total vehicle height is pretty low for a 4 seater. My 2010 Camaro which is on 19" wheels and I've lowered it 1.5" is 50" from the ground to the top of the roof and it noticeably looks lowered. I'm okay with a 47" or 48" tall car but I don't know if the average owner would like a car that low; especially if it's a daily driver. They might though if the car looks good enough. These designs definitely start to move the Camaro from just a muscle car towards more of a muscle/sports GT hybrid. Fast in the straights AND the curves. I know what you're saying about cars being out there with chassis' that could fit these dimensions but we've already got the fixed-dimension Alpha platform they've committed to so whatever we do has to accommodate that. I wish I had the various dimensions of the Alpha but I don't. I'm just guessing and eyeballing these things. If these were to be made into actual car bodies to fit on that chassis there would undoubtedly have to be a lot of adjustments. I now understand your headlight idea. From the original drawing you posted I thought those blue "u" shapes were LED headlights of some kind. The view we've drawn is somewhat misleading because this gives a camera view of the cars that would only look like this if you were laying on your stomach looking forward, so it makes elements look higher than they really are. If you were standing up looking down, these fronts are quite low. The headlights on yours are only about 2 feet off the ground so if they're recessed back under the hood you wouldn't see much of them. Making them black so they're basically invisible might not matter if they're hardly visible anyways. I'd have to check but I believe there's a legal minimum height requirement for headlights if I'm not mistaken. Yours are definitely interesting style-wise though. The extended fog lamp cutouts you have would only look like that if you were laying down on the ground looking forward. The bottom of the cutout is only about 8-9" from the ground so standing up looking down there wouldn't be that much visual difference between yours and mine. I played with the size as well like you did but finally decided to settle on a dimension that was visually similar to the outer ends of the upper grille dimensions. I've had the front of my car off and there isn't any structural support in that area other than the polyurethane front fascia. The fog lights are attached to the back of the fascia so if this design were used it would basically work the same way. With yours there's additional hidden structural support of some kind? I put the roof ditch in; still playing with dimensions though. This concept car design pulls the width of the cabin in farther than the 5th gen design so the driver and passenger sit closer together. Roof height where their head would be is an issue; something I'd have to spend more time studying and measuring. The A pillars of mine are as wide as yours; you're just seeing them at an angle so they appear thinner. The insides would have the thickness to contain roll structure support and airbags. As far as hoods and hood lines I think these are good looking hoods. I deliberately lowered the hood line and increased the opening of the forward view on the original design to give more visibility to the driver. The view outward for the driver and passenger should be pretty spectacular for driving. With your eyes being only about 3 1/2 feet off the ground looking forward over that swept down hood the view on the track and in the curves would be terrific. I keep getting more and more involved with the thought process on this project lol. Now if only I was getting paid for this....
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This has come a long way since I was last on this thread. Good job Doc
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09-19-2013, 01:28 PM | #327 |
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Thank you! I'm really happy with the way this is going and how people in general have responded. Based on the high number of views it seems there's a fair amount of interest and hardly any negativity so overall I think this is going quite well.
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This is a good exercise. For my taste, I am missing some articulation in the rear upper quarters. The rear deck is too linear, and as a whole I am not getting a feel that this design is speaking of what a camaro could look like. The earlier renderings had some nice detailing cues in the front and aft views, but even with the profile of the earlier renderings, the body seemed too linear and the A & C pillars seemed a bit generic and not taking a stab at a camaro design cue.
Additionally, I am not feeling the indentations at the front fenders (from the scion and mitsu twins), and the rear light panel from the charger speak....actually with the red signal bars...is an interesting move that looks neat. Some of the trim details like the breathing gills at the lower quarters and the openings in the bumper are busy and aren't connecting with the design. Try doing a clay model based on your sketches. I feel that the body profile is missing some volume shapes (such as contouring at the rear quarters, deck,). 3-d studies with plastic materials such as clay, and maybe more studies with a CAD 3d system could add some life to the design, and perhaps point it more towards a sense of what a camaro (meaning a new generation with cues to reflect its heritage) could look like. Just my opinion. Keep up the enthusiasm.....you have some nice ideas that could develop into a feasible look of a future camaro.
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09-19-2013, 01:41 PM | #329 |
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Here's a revised view with the recessed hood effect, recessed roof center, and I increased the height of the fog light cutouts, cutting the support area below them in half. Not sure if I like them taller or not. The other ones being thinner look wider to me. A subtle change but a surprisingly different look and feel.
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Due to the restrictions of roll support, airbags and forward visibility, there isn't a whole lot of room for variation in an A pillar. They are what they are. C pillars are a different story. One of the complaints about rearward visibility inside the Camaro deals with the C pillars blocking your view. I was trying to make them less pronounced to improve visibility. This of course departs from the traditional C pillar style Camaros are recognized for but there's not much choice if you want to make them thinner/smaller to improve visibility. Making it thinner and smaller kind of forces it into looking somewhat plain and unexciting but I felt that was a reasonable compromise to gain the benefit of improved visibility for the driver. The indents at the front fenders... the Camaro always had it at the back but all I did was basically reverse it and move it to the front like the new Stingray has. The idea is to visually elongate the back of the car to give it more of a sweeping wedge towards the front; the exact same idea the new Stingray illustrates so well. If I can get this design into 3D the effect will be much more pronounced and give a true presentation of the idea. The gills on the side... I originally wanted to have just a single cutout but people said they liked the 3 gills effect from the 5th gen so I put it in there. These are functional and provide cooling intakes for brakes and (on the 1LE, ZL1, Z/28) the oil coolers for the transmission and differential. If I can get this modeled in 3D I'll do both ways and see how people feel about it. The openings in the bumper... I'm assuming you mean the slots in the rear bumper where the reverse lights are? That's strictly a visual styling trick to help break up the large amount of plain space that would otherwise be there. I'm thinking of making the reverse lights even longer, or they could in fact be the whole length and that would achieve the same effect. I would LOVE to have this modeled in clay; if only I knew how to sculpt with clay lol. That would just have to be something else to add to my plate of non-paying/not-getting-things-done-around-the-house activities that I need to learn. The 3D modeling in software is doable, I just have to get through the fairly steep learning curve of the software. Like I stated at the beginning of this thread this doesn't look exactly like I envision due to my visualization/illustration skills not being good enough yet. I'm getting better as I go though as should be evident when you compare the first page of this thread with the current ones. If I can get this modeled successfully in this 3D software I have, you should finally be able to see how this would really look. There's more going on in the body visuals than my 2d illustration skills have been able to show. Great and thoughtful comments and feedback, thank you for taking the time to contribute.
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You did a lot of work there.
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Good exercise overall.
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09-19-2013, 04:17 PM | #333 |
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Nice work Doc! Do you make house calls?
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Hmm... depends. Do you pay in Pedder's upgrades? Actually I think I have most of your stuff already in my car lol. Love the way it transformed the car's handling. Do you need some concept designs of something? Who knows... being a freelance concepter (is that a word?) could be a new line of work for me hehe.
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Gah! So many words! My head is spinning! (or that could be the meds, not sure)...
All I can say for now is... keep up the good work!
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Doc's posts are always worth the time to spend reading.
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