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Old 08-30-2013, 03:04 PM   #276
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I don't know if they'd want to go to the expense of two separate back ends and tail light assemblies. Probably not but I agree there should be more of a visual difference between the models.

I'd like to see just one V6 base model with the standard package of power, handling, features, that could be usable as a daily driver or just an all-around town/travel car. It should have an upgraded interior; no more plain and LX. As nice an interior as any of the other models except it doesn't have the extra performance features/gauges/seats/seat belts etc. of the higher performance V8 models.

The Rally Sport (RS) should be the base model with upgraded wheels, sways, handling and a little more power. This could be for the sporty driver around town but not really a track car. Add the 4 minor gauges.

The Super Sport (SS) upgrades to the V8 and is aimed at straight line performance; not really a road course suspension but upgraded bushings and such for improved traction and control.

The SS 1LE is the upgraded street performance/road course car. This car could be used in autocross or HPDE events. Upgraded seats with 5-point harness option, tow hooks, fire extinguisher, etc.... a genuine track pack/kit option.

The ZL1 is an all-around high-performance GT. More power and torque than the SS; equal or better than the 1LE on the track due to its exotic magnetic suspension, yet the driver can adjust it for a street cruise every bit as comfortable as the base model if desired. Upgraded seats.

The Z/28 is the road course track monster. Specialized and optimized for road course. Although it's street legal it's not really a street car...not for everyone.

It would be nice if outwardly there were enough visual differences to distinguish the models besides just a badge or lettering. The fender flares and aero package would be enough for the 1LE and Z/28; maybe even have different spoilers for each so the Z/28 would get the more extreme track spoiler. The base model, RS and SS would not have the throttle-actuated hood vent; the 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28 would. Of course you could do things with wheels to distinguish the models.

I'll work on visual ideas for the various models.
The way I see it is...

LS- base car v-6 B2

RS- base car v-6 with appearance package (D3 rear led lights, upgrade wheels, suspension and more options then base.

SS-base car V-8 B2 with upgraded wheels suspension and more options.

SS/RS V-8 car with RS appearance package.

SS 1LE track package RS available

ZL1

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To me this works with both your designs of the rear.
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Can you make one that looks like the 2010-2013 Camaro?
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Just for fun based on ssrs396's suggestion here are a couple ideas for the next generation of a car that isn't even out in it's first generation yet! The Z/28.

B2 is what ssrs396 mentioned. I also did a version from D3; other than the different tail lights D3 also has quad exhaust.
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D3 looks so much more bad@ss to me.
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I'd think a throttle actuated hood vent would be deserving of the SS as well. It is in the high performance bracket.
I thought about that before making that statement but the actual purpose of the throttle actuated hood vent is to relieve air pressure under the hood at high speed; such as you'd encounter on a road course. GM said they eliminated 200 lbs of lift in the front with the hood vent on the Z/28. That improves front grip in high speed corners; a situation you simply won't find anywhere but on a road course. That's why I decided to not include it on the street SS which should be mostly straight line performance. If it turns out people really like that feature and want it, well....my decision was based on logic; market demands could change that.

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The way I see it is...

LS- base car v-6 B2

RS- base car v-6 with appearance package (D3 rear led lights, upgrade wheels, suspension and more options then base.

SS-base car V-8 B2 with upgraded wheels suspension and more options.

SS/RS V-8 car with RS appearance package.

SS 1LE track package RS available

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To me this works with both your designs of the rear.
Again the question is, would GM want to go to the expense of producing two completely different backs and tail light assemblies? Considering just how expensive it must be to make the back assembly, I'm guessing no. They probably have to get each back crash and safety certified too I would think. I'm with you aesthetically; I'd love to see not only B and D backs but I also actually like C; the one that looks like the 69 Camaro style.

I have an idea that might work though... I could design the back so that the recessed area where the tail lights are is a removable piece (unbolted and removed from the inside). This way the entire back assembly can be the same on all 3 styles, but by being able to change the recess insert you could have different tail light units in them. It would also be easier to paint the blackout since it's a separate assembly; no need to mask the back before painting. It might even be cool to have the bolts for the recess assembly show on the outside; might give it a military/industrial look. I'll have to play with that as a styling feature.

Only thing I don't know is if that separate recess idea would be structurally sound enough but I imagine GM's engineers could figure that out. Production-wise it's an extra assembly step; adds extra fasteners and inventory items. Don't know if the sales would justify it... it IS an idea though.

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Can you make one that looks like the 2010-2013 Camaro?
You mean the back?

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D3 looks so much more bad@ss to me.
Yeah it does have that fighter jet on the flight deck ready to launch look. And I do believe if you saw this in your rear view mirror coming up behind you, your instinct would be to move over.
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Not to slam anybody because it takes a lot of time to come up with these designs. Also I admire anybody associated with the designing and building of the Camaro but all of these rear designs look better than the 14 refresh IMO. I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of these designers and at the same time would love to do it if I had the skills.
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Not to slam anybody because it takes a lot of time to come up with these designs. Also I admire anybody associated with the designing and building of the Camaro but all of these rear designs look better than the 14 refresh IMO. I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of these designers and at the same time would love to do it if I had the skills.
Well thank you, I appreciate the compliment and support. And yes I can only imagine the stress these guys must be under. "The good news is you're working on the Camaro design team! The bad news is you have to change it without inciting mass hysteria and a lynch mob!" What a job lol.

At any rate here's the latest for the Z/28. I'm glad I started working on it because it led me to find an error that had been accumulating slowly and I was able to get it fixed. I knew something was off in the various views and this led me to find and correct it. These have larger mirrors, corrected mirror height, corrected roof height, corrected windshield dimensions and various other sundry corrections. I decided I like the black side mirrors so that's going to be on all models; not just the Z/28.

I did a C version which I like as I do also version B, but the more I look at it I'm finding D3 is becoming my favorite style; there's just something about it that looks more dynamic, "futuristic" and yet it still feels like a Camaro.

I tried the idea of the visible bolts around the recessed area in the back. Not good. Looked like Franken-Z. So scratch that idea.

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I'm trying to decide if all models should have the blackout back, or just the 1LE, ZL1 and Z/28 which have the flat-black hood? Or is the body-color back a look that only the Z/28 should have?

Here's a render of the Z/28 with the blackout back, and the Base model with the body-color back.
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And here's a render of the opposite; the Z/28 with the body-color back and the Base model with the blackout back.
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The body-color back looks nice and clean on the Base model, but it also looks good on the Z/28. Having different back treatments is one way of creating a quick visual difference between the regular and high-performance track models. What do you guys think... or does it matter?
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I tried the idea of the visible bolts around the recessed area in the back. Not good. Looked like Franken-Z. So scratch that idea.

These are the latest and most current views:
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Easy fix! Bolts on the inside of the panel in the trunk, you would never see them unless you are a body shop or customizing them yourself.

Don't you dare take my B2 away!!!!....lol
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This has shaped up to be pretty dang awesome if you ask me.

I think I've gotten a bit lost though. In your vision...is there an SS between the base and the Z/28 or not? I don't really want you to tone down the base car, b/c I think even the base needs to look good, but not sure what you'd do to make a car look mid tier in between those two.

I think it could be confusing since the 5th gen Z/28 is the ultra bad ass, but in the 6th gen is essential an SS again like in the 4th gen.
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Easy fix! Bolts on the inside of the panel in the trunk, you would never see them unless you are a body shop or customizing them yourself.

Don't you dare take my B2 away!!!!....lol
Yeah that's my original idea to have the bolts inside like that; that way you could have different recess inserts for the Base and SS, 1LE, ZL1, Z/28. I'd have to decide which back to go with for the Base model though. I don't think GM would go for 3 different styles; having 2 is pushing it already lol. D3 I think should definitely be the performance back... maybe the back for all the V8 models. The Base model could be either B2 or C, but whichever one is left out this would be an EASY aftermarket customization opportunity for custom inserts.

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This has shaped up to be pretty dang awesome if you ask me.

I think I've gotten a bit lost though. In your vision...is there an SS between the base and the Z/28 or not? I don't really want you to tone down the base car, b/c I think even the base needs to look good, but not sure what you'd do to make a car look mid tier in between those two.

I think it could be confusing since the 5th gen Z/28 is the ultra bad ass, but in the 6th gen is essential an SS again like in the 4th gen.
It's been kind of fun and at the very least entertaining hasn't it... at least for me and hopefully some of the viewers. Considering we've rather quickly racked up over 12,000+ views it seems there's quite a bit of "silent" interest which is good... I think. I know if everybody hated all this they'd be sounding off loudly like they did with the 2014 refresh back lol.

I completely agree about the Base model; it should be able to stand on it's own as a beautiful desirable car, and yes there is an SS. The way I'm thinking it would essentially be the V8 version of the Rally Sport Base model and with upgraded wheels and badging; hence "super" sport indicating a power upgrade to a "rally" sport. A strong straight line performer.

I've been thinking about all the models and I think this would be a good opportunity for GM to clean up and refine the various versions so there's a more logical progression from the Base on up.

Base model: V6. Beautiful, classy, elegant. Sporty but not brutal. Not intended to be a track car. A comfortable car for daily driving or touring. This model would probably have the widest market and appeal to entry level buyers, male/female, young and old. This could have the B2 recessed back.

Rally Sport: The Base model tuned for a bit more power, suspension mods for better handling, 4 minor gauges inside. Different badging; maybe different wheels.

Super Sport: V8. The Rally Sport upgraded with a V8, wider wheels, different badging, and the D3 recessed back.

1LE: The SS with the track package; suspension upgrades, brakes, etc. Throttle-actuated hood vent and satin black hood. Light-weight track wheels. Tow hooks. Racing seats with 5-point harness option. Maybe a different spoiler.

ZL1: King of the road Camaros. Bigger displacement V8 (get rid of the forced induction) for more power above the SS. Magnetic suspension allows a wide range of performance choices. Throttle-actuated hood vent and satin black hood. Light-weight track wheels an option.

Z/28: Road course track monster. Big displacement V8. Fender flares. Widest wheels. Throttle-actuated hood vent and satin black hood. Adjustable rear spoiler; maybe even a "smart" spoiler that adjusts as you drive...full down when braking, near flat on high-speed straight, some down force for high speed corners. Tow hooks. Racing seats with 5-point harness.

All models would have fog lights which I think are important for safety reasons. The intakes to either side of the fogs are functional and allow air input for a cold-air intake (which would also be on all models) and brake cooling ducts for the track models. The gill intakes on the sides are functional and allow air input for trans and diff coolers on the track models. I would like to see those coolers be in the back so the plumbing routes are shorter, and the weight is moved to the back to help the overall weight balance of the car. There could also be some ducting for rear brake cooling but the main priority would be the coolers.

I haven't started on interiors yet but I would like to see things streamlined so there is very little difference inside between the models except performance gauges, performance seats, badging and of course cloth or leather. I'm going to be starting on interior design shortly. I'm almost done I think with the exterior; just cleaning up some details for consistency and fixing the top view now that I have back styling pretty much done.

I have a killer idea for lighting which I'm not going to put in this thread. It could easily be stolen and used by a competitor, so GM...if anyone on the Camaro team is reading this... PM me and we can set up a verified contact so I can give you the idea.

The interiors are going to be fun.
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Yeah that's my original idea to have the bolts inside like that; that way you could have different recess inserts for the Base and SS, 1LE, ZL1, Z/28. I'd have to decide which back to go with for the Base model though. I don't think GM would go for 3 different styles; having 2 is pushing it already lol. D3 I think should definitely be the performance back... maybe the back for all the V8 models. The Base model could be either B2 or C, but whichever one is left out this would be an EASY aftermarket customization opportunity for custom inserts.
I love the idea of customizable inserts just like the different grills for the front today. You can change the entire back end with relative ease along with different back diffusers from the aftermarket and have a fully custom looking rear. Plus GM can change its lights easily for different models.
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Good luck with the interiors I can't wait to see them.
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Not much time to comment, but looking good (not so much from a "what will be" standpoint but from a "what you want it to be" one). I would honestly buy it the way it is, but I would buy it with some other looks as well. Nothing like that boxy fake looking silver rendering that keeps getting reposted, though, I dislike that one and its cartoon looks as well.

Can you incorporate a slanted center divider in each current taillight but keep the same outline that it is now? It would be sort of like a more advanced version of your '67 style version (which does look better when bigger, btw).

The reason I'm posting right now is to ask if you have a current-version front view pic that is the same size as your posted previous version (before you made the mirror/roof corrections). I'm PS'ing that old one, view "A" from post #265, but I'd like to merge your correct version with what I have already modded. That's much easier to do and more accurate if they're already the same size.

I was working on the front 3/4 view as I mentioned before but I don't have time to complete it as it's fairly complex from that angle and takes some time. The front view pic I can do one side of then mirror it to finish the other side, and there's less to mod from that view to begin with. I think I can pull that off with my current time constraints. I just want to show some ideas I have.
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Not much time to comment, but looking good (not so much from a "what will be" standpoint but from a "what you want it to be" one). I would honestly buy it the way it is, but I would buy it with some other looks as well. Nothing like that boxy fake looking silver rendering that keeps getting reposted, though, I dislike that one and its cartoon looks as well.

Can you incorporate a slanted center divider in each current taillight but keep the same outline that it is now? It would be sort of like a more advanced version of your '67 style version (which does look better when bigger, btw).

The reason I'm posting right now is to ask if you have a current-version front view pic that is the same size as your posted previous version (before you made the mirror/roof corrections). I'm PS'ing that old one, view "A" from post #265, but I'd like to merge your correct version with what I have already modded. That's much easier to do and more accurate if they're already the same size.

I was working on the front 3/4 view as I mentioned before but I don't have time to complete it as it's fairly complex from that angle and takes some time. The front view pic I can do one side of then mirror it to finish the other side, and there's less to mod from that view to begin with. I think I can pull that off with my current time constraints. I just want to show some ideas I have.
Thank you for the vote of confidence.

Is this what you had in mind for the D3 back view?
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I like OP's 5A SS rendering of the rear end, especially the fender flares to avoid having to install ugly-ass mud guards. However, I don't like the way the bottom line of rear diffuser and fender bottoms are jagged - use the 5B/RS diffuser that extends down more and curve the fender bottoms straight across meet it.
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Well we damn sure don't want the competition to gank our lighting ideas!!
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Well this should be it for the front and back views. I've decided at this point to go with the removable recess insert idea for the back so the V6 models; the Base and the Rally Sport will get the round tail lights, and all the V8 models get the stylized 1-piece tail lights. One thing new in these views that I haven't posted before is the CAMARO lettering on the back. Anybody have any strong feelings one way or the other about it? Yes, no, good, bad, maybe?
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I've started working on a 3/4 perspective view from the back and hopefully that'll be done here soon.

It's great to see the amount of interest this thread has generated!
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I like OP's 5A SS rendering of the rear end, especially the fender flares to avoid having to install ugly-ass mud guards. However, I don't like the way the bottom line of rear diffuser and fender bottoms are jagged - use the 5B/RS diffuser that extends down more and curve the fender bottoms straight across meet it.
Hehe well that was still a work-in-progress. That's fixed along with many little details which are in the latest posting. I've also put the 3rd brake light on the back of the shark fin in this latest posting.

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Ha! Well it would be very easy for anyone from the competition to implement it and as far as I know it's not being done by anyone anywhere. It's one of those things that the moment I thought of it I realized it would be one cool feature that would instantly distinguish not only the Camaro, but could be used on all GM cars. Considering how much design work I'm freely posting in this thread including some cool ideas that could also be used by other companies... there's a good reason why I'm not posting this one.
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Well this should be it for the front and back views. I've decided at this point to go with the removable recess insert idea for the back so the V6 models; the Base and the Rally Sport will get the round tail lights, and all the V8 models get the stylized 1-piece tail lights. One thing new in these views that I haven't posted before is the CAMARO lettering on the back. Anybody have any strong feelings one way or the other about it? Yes, no, good, bad, maybe?
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I've started working on a 3/4 perspective view from the back and hopefully that'll be done here soon.

It's great to see the amount of interest this thread has generated!

Love the back view on both cars, it really looks good all one color and yet I love the black out also. There is something so clean about the round taillights and yet the other design is aggressive and worthy of the higher models. I like the distinction of the packages and the ability to customize them. The Camaro lettering is perfect and if one wanted it a little more subdued it could just be painted body color and if the other direction... the aftermarket will make a lighted version.....lol.
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Well this should be it for the front and back views. I've decided at this point to go with the removable recess insert idea for the back so the V6 models; the Base and the Rally Sport will get the round tail lights, and all the V8 models get the stylized 1-piece tail lights. One thing new in these views that I haven't posted before is the CAMARO lettering on the back. Anybody have any strong feelings one way or the other about it? Yes, no, good, bad, maybe?
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I've started working on a 3/4 perspective view from the back and hopefully that'll be done here soon.

It's great to see the amount of interest this thread has generated!

One small change idea on the Z/28, could be factory or a custom touch.
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I'm working on separate wheels for the Base V6 models, but I can't decide if they should be bronze like the V8 model wheels or do them in silver as an additional visual difference. I like the way the bronze looks but do you guys think the silver looks good?
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Would have to be silver for me. I have always been, and always will be a polished aluminum kind of guy.
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Oh, and that Z/28 looks mean!! If I had the V6, I'd have to swap for that rear end lol.

I honestly feel like they should have the same tail lights, but the Z/28 having a much more aggressive looking wing, exhaust, and diffusor, and the black out section, but thats just my opinion.
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Oh, and that Z/28 looks mean!! If I had the V6, I'd have to swap for that rear end lol.

I honestly feel like they should have the same tail lights, but the Z/28 having a much more aggressive looking wing, exhaust, and diffusor, and the black out section, but thats just my opinion.
The z/28 turned out really well. I've got a 3d program which I'm going to try and learn so I can model this thing in 3d with reflections, lighting and everything. I think the z/28 in deep gloss black with the satin black hood, mirrors and spoiler, with the red accent lines is going to basically look like a street legal SR71.

I've given a lot of thought to the idea of different backs and I settled on the 2 styles to give the base model the widest market appeal for those who want sporty looks but not too aggressive. The performance buyer wants to look the part too so I gave the "meaner" look to those models. The nice thing about changeable backs is you can customize the base model with the other style back if you want to.
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