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Old 06-26-2013, 08:15 AM   #301
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Wow it seems like many on this board want a Cadillac/Audi/ insert your favorite luxury car instead of a camaro with all the comforts youre asking for. It's a MUSCLE CAR! Not a LUXURY SPORTS CAR. I say make ALL creature comforts optional. Keep AC and a radio. It'd be much easier to create the car then.
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:37 AM   #302
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Wow it seems like many on this board want a Cadillac/Audi/ insert your favorite luxury car instead of a camaro with all the comforts youre asking for. It's a MUSCLE CAR! Not a LUXURY SPORTS CAR. I say make ALL creature comforts optional. Keep AC and a radio. It'd be much easier to create the car then.
Iff we did that the camaro be a lot more expensive on our end. The less options we have,the cheaper they can produce the car.
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Old 06-29-2013, 09:19 AM   #303
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Sorry, but I'm with Wizard on this one.

If you're a pure muscle car/pony car/sports car fan, or remember when driving did not mean having to have all kinds of luxury and technology items present, you understand this.

Those who don't have allowed themselves to become spoiled. It's a shame that the leading edge of that group of folks is dragging the feature content ever upward. And downright annoying that sometimes in order to get a single option that you do want that you have to put up with one or more that you don't even want being there on your car.


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Old 06-29-2013, 06:14 PM   #304
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Sorry, but I'm with Wizard on this one.

If you're a pure muscle car/pony car/sports car fan, or remember when driving did not mean having to have all kinds of luxury and technology items present, you understand this.

Those who don't have allowed themselves to become spoiled. It's a shame that the leading edge of that group of folks is dragging the feature content ever upward. And downright annoying that sometimes in order to get a single option that you do want that you have to put up with one or more that you don't even want being there on your car.


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Just little common sense things like Stereo, AC, Power windows+locks, USB and AUX port, and cruise control. Everything else should be optional.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:03 AM   #305
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offer recaro seats as an ss option
autos and manuals same hp and tq
offer different grill options (front bow tie delete option)
improve my link tech (and have a cd insert, i still like my cd's lol)
drop the price a little!
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Old 06-30-2013, 01:43 AM   #306
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Just little common sense things like Stereo, AC, Power windows+locks, USB and AUX port, and cruise control. Everything else should be optional.
lol that's a lot to keep in if you're talking bare bones. My LS had all that in it except the USB, am I muscle car now?
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:28 AM   #307
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1: Look amazing
2: Perform like a thousand dollar an hour hooker.



Done.


ok ok, for realy though:

1: Stripped version of SS like the z/28. I mean stripped, too. crank windows, manual race buckets, no sound deadening, a/c optional, crappy one speaker radio, the works. With all the same mechanical parts as whatever the 1LE SS equivalent will be.

2: Wider range of engine options. Options are always good. Some people want to be a bad ass, some people just wanna look good and cruise. Let everyone be happy.

3: For the sake of all that is good two inches more head room or a lower seat!!!

4: no seat belt snaps on seats. Annoying-ish

5: A free one for anyone who's forum name is Mamooth.
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Old 06-30-2013, 11:49 AM   #308
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Just little common sense things like Stereo, AC, Power windows+locks, USB and AUX port, and cruise control. Everything else should be optional.
Thanks.

It seems that there are various interpretations of "stripped", as my own list is shorter still.

A/C is a virtual necessity even if you don't have heat stress issues - it's the fastest way to clear a fogging up windshield (A/C + heat, with defrost and outside air) and in this part of the country is worth it for that reason alone. As a "paint-saver", remote lock/unlock has some legitimate purpose, so that can stay. As can the power windows - when it wasn't such a physical stretch/contortion to reach the passenger side door from the driver seat, manual-crank windows weren't entirely unreasonable.

The stereo does need to have CD capability, as that is a whole lot easier for some of us to deal with than USB or AUX inputs.

Cruise . . . no need for it. Why I even bother checking it every couple of years to see if it still works is a mystery now that I stop to think about it. My wife never uses it at all (not sure she even knows how).


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Old 06-30-2013, 12:48 PM   #309
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4: no seat belt snaps on seats. Annoying-ish
What I would rather have is one that fastens it to the side of the seat vs the side bolster of the back.
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Old 07-01-2013, 11:22 AM   #310
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1) 3300 pound curb weight for the base car with ATS-like dimensions
2) Keep the black steelie rally wheels. They are iconic Chevy base wheels.
3) Keep the 300+ V6 as the base motor.
4) Lower beltline somewhat for improved visability.
5) Improve the interior materials without going overboard.
6) Improve the paint quality.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:21 PM   #311
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6) Improve the paint quality.
This. A 1000x this. Please, for God's sake. While most modern paints suck, the paint on this car is particularly sucky.
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Old 07-01-2013, 04:59 PM   #312
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This. A 1000x this. Please, for God's sake. While most modern paints suck, the paint on this car is particularly sucky.
No it isn't. This is my second car made after 2010, the paint was just as bad on this at was my other car as it is just as bad as it is on everyone else's new cars. I wish people would stop pretending like this is some big quality issue and GM skimped on paint or something.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:50 AM   #313
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No it isn't. This is my second car made after 2010, the paint was just as bad on this at was my other car as it is just as bad as it is on everyone else's new cars. I wish people would stop pretending like this is some big quality issue and GM skimped on paint or something.
The paint sucks. Sorry man. I have a 2010 Ford that sees 10x as much mileage as this 2012 car and it looks better. The paint is shit. As I said, most paint is shit now but this shit is particularly shitty.

People should stop acting like it ISN'T a quality control issue. I've programmed in many a paint shop and I know shit paint from all the times the measuring boys come back and make my robot guys change paths and patterns. This is some truly soft paint, man. It's not a dig or Chevy bashing, it's just the truth. Not to mention that every exterior surface of every Camaro I've ever seen has orange peel somewhere. You don't even get that on a Cruze.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:17 AM   #314
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A stripped entry level base coupe. As in crank windows,no xm,no power seats, manual locks, and minus the nannies, for $19995.00.
Re-style the "rally" wheels to resemble something that is, well, a rally wheel, rather than something that looks like it was borrowed from a '90 S-10.
Other than that, keep the bean counters from sourcing crap parts, and have the new plant focus on attention to build detail.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:59 PM   #315
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The paint sucks. Sorry man. I have a 2010 Ford that sees 10x as much mileage as this 2012 car and it looks better. The paint is shit. As I said, most paint is shit now but this shit is particularly shitty.

People should stop acting like it ISN'T a quality control issue. I've programmed in many a paint shop and I know shit paint from all the times the measuring boys come back and make my robot guys change paths and patterns. This is some truly soft paint, man. It's not a dig or Chevy bashing, it's just the truth. Not to mention that every exterior surface of every Camaro I've ever seen has orange peel somewhere. You don't even get that on a Cruze.
I've done two back-and-forth road trips from St Louis to Cleveland in both good and bad weather, my paint isn't messed up at all. Sounds more to me like people looking for reasons to bitch. Maybe learn to wax a car and protect the paint.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:15 PM   #316
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I've done two back-and-forth road trips from St Louis to Cleveland in both good and bad weather, my paint isn't messed up at all. Sounds more to me like people looking for reasons to bitch. Maybe learn to wax a car and protect the paint.
Really? You sure you car doesnt have a 3m clear bra over the entire surface? Or does your road trips include 20mph top speed? Because I assure you, waxing a car doesnt protect paint from road chips or vehicles in front of you throwing up debris that may chip the paint. Thats a bullshit comment if I ever heard of one. So you only took 2 road trips and have parked you car? Drive more often and it'll chip.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:22 AM   #317
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I've done two back-and-forth road trips from St Louis to Cleveland in both good and bad weather, my paint isn't messed up at all. Sounds more to me like people looking for reasons to bitch. Maybe learn to wax a car and protect the paint.


Listen, man, I'm not going to get into a measuring contest about who knows how to take care of a car.

My car doesn't see hardly any miles, is always washed carefully (much more carefully than cars with less sensitive paint) and the paint looks worse. I never follow anything, truck or otherwise, closely on the highway. My paint has chips ALL over it. Not just in high impact areas either, I have chips in places where the impact should have to be HARD to chip. Too many people have these problems to think it's a figment.

The paint is sensitive, soft, and weak. I can swirl this paint by LOOKING at it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:43 PM   #318
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Really? You sure you car doesnt have a 3m clear bra over the entire surface? Or does your road trips include 20mph top speed? Because I assure you, waxing a car doesnt protect paint from road chips or vehicles in front of you throwing up debris that may chip the paint. Thats a bullshit comment if I ever heard of one. So you only took 2 road trips and have parked you car? Drive more often and it'll chip.
No... are you that dense? I daily drive my car, I don't have a magical 3M bra that covers the whole car... I just some how am able to keep my paint from being as tore up as some of you people claim it is yet aren't even DDing the thing.
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Old 07-04-2013, 10:09 PM   #319
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No... are you that dense? I daily drive my car, I don't have a magical 3M bra that covers the whole car... I just some how am able to keep my paint from being as tore up as some of you people claim it is yet aren't even DDing the thing.
Edit: I can only wish everyone was as good at taking care of paint as yourself, then.

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Old 08-07-2013, 08:18 PM   #320
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i could make a giant list of requests BUT my only real one is DONT **** IT UP! keep it a "higher class" car, loose a minimum of 300 lbs somewhere somehow, quality and comfortable interior, a great power train and MEAN FUNCTIONAL looks... definitely dont make it look like this 6th gen prototype im seeing pictures of which is HIDEOUS!
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Old 08-08-2013, 02:24 PM   #321
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I say throw in all of the comforts of a luxury car so long as they don't sacrifice the performance. I don't think the two need to be mutually exclusive. If I had to pick two things in particular, however, it would be:

- Cooled seats
- T-Tops
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:19 PM   #322
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I would like to see adaptive headlights included with the RS package. You know, that turn left and right to match your steering wheel movements
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No it isn't. This is my second car made after 2010, the paint was just as bad on this at was my other car as it is just as bad as it is on everyone else's new cars. I wish people would stop pretending like this is some big quality issue and GM skimped on paint or something.
...and I agree with you. And this from a perspective of an individual comparing standards over generations and time. Today, what we get off the line, is far better than years past. People complain too much. Waaah...
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