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Old 06-14-2013, 10:31 AM   #86
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Damnit, some of these Camaro's came with only 6 cylinders!!!! wtf?@Q@!
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:54 AM   #87
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Well, OP, Go buy a Ford then. Leave the Camaro for someone who wants it.
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Old 06-14-2013, 11:09 AM   #88
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Mine suffers from a ton of rattles. Just found out its missing a pinch weld in the rear passenger side area. At least they didnt forget to install the gas tank.
Rattles already? How many miles?
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:47 PM   #89
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Whats the surprise? Welcome to American Build Quality. If you want something built solid, buy Audi. Otherwise deal with it.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:53 PM   #90
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the op is the same assclown that will never buy a chevy product.....just bash it. And threaten to buy one if the quality improves..

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It's "who will never buy", not "that will never buy".

I bet I have owned a lot more than you have, and currently own a lot more than you own.

If you don't like this discussion, go away. Start your own thread. We would like to have an adult discussion on quality issues.

Thank you.

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Old 06-14-2013, 01:01 PM   #91
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Some of these things might be inherent to the manufacturing process. However, I am really quite surprised that no one would notice a 1le without the hood wrap. That makes me very suspicious of QC.
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Old 06-14-2013, 01:45 PM   #92
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Whats the surprise? Welcome to American Build Quality. If you want something built solid, buy Audi. Otherwise deal with it.
lolwut.

My cousin's A4 spent more time in the dealer's service bay than in his garage.

Audis have horrible quality.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:49 PM   #93
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lolwut.

My cousin's A4 spent more time in the dealer's service bay than in his garage.

Audis have horrible quality.
I was trying to think of something witty to reply about this comment, but my thinking cap is lost. Nothing like a good dose of subjective opinion professed as fact.

That is like saying Honda's are the best cars because everyone knows that they are -- even Consumer Reports, duh.
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:54 PM   #94
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Whats the surprise? Welcome to American Build Quality. If you want something built solid, buy Audi. Otherwise deal with it.
It's not built in America. It's built in Canada.
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:24 PM   #95
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It's not built in America. It's built in Canada.
Blame Canada
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Old 06-14-2013, 03:31 PM   #96
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adult discussion on quality issues.
As an "adult discussion" you have been asked several times if your opinion is based on FAct and ownership or from what your read on here or in your fathers car mags?
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:16 PM   #97
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As an "adult discussion" you have been asked several times if your opinion is based on FAct and ownership or from what your read on here or in your fathers car mags?
You are right a mature adult does not have to be asked the same question over and over again. Yet he ignores it every time. Only children and corrupt politicians do like that.
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Old 06-14-2013, 10:23 PM   #98
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Rattles already? How many miles?
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:01 AM   #99
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Whats the surprise? Welcome to American Build Quality. If you want something built solid, buy Audi. Otherwise deal with it.
Careful with comments like that. Just to be clear on this for you my 2013 Audi S4 has already had the entire steering system replaced and the sun roof motor. I still love it and am still glad I made the purchase.

Steering at 1,000 miles and sunroof at 4,000

NO ONE MAKES A PERFECT CAR!!!!!!!
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:15 AM   #100
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A few points:

CR is not perfect. Did you know you don't have to be an owner to rate a vehicle?

You need to use JD Power as well for a true picture. Just a quick search there shows the Camaro to pretty decent.

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...o/Reliability/

When the Camaro first came out, CR dinged it for "cramped rear seat and poor visibility". Oooooh that took some rocket science. Those are results of styling features of the car and are only quality issues for folks like CR.

GM is always striving to improve quality. I know because I was there and part of that effort. Constant evaluation and improvement. I had the priveledge to teach classes on Reliabilty and Durability. It is no easy task and having worked at 3 OEMs now I can assure you it is a constant battle. Could GM improve? Sure, they would openly admit that. Are they working hard to improve? Yes, every single day.

So if you had stopped with GM isn't number one in JD Power in all segments and could improve you would have made a factual statement.

What you did was list a bunch of low volume problems and used them to jump to the conclusion that GM quality is poor. Data shows that it isn't so you only continue to support your argument with fragments and little data.

GM has pretty much been mid pack or better for quality for the last few years. Even Toyota when you exclued Lexus (different and long story) has not been great.

So yes, they can do better. Are they poor? Not even close.
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:20 AM   #101
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I can't speak to the problems the OP has addressed, but in the last 10 years, most of my family has owned or does own GM products. Most ( with the exceptions of my father's Buicks) have had variations of quality control issues. Most of the problems were minor or repaired under warranty. The common thread with my family has been the poor Customer Service Experience with GM associated dealerships. The bad experiences far outnumber the good. GM has been a PIA everytime I had warranty work that needed done. My Camaro has been in three times for warranty work and yes...my AFM lifters do make noise, but I am mulling what I want to do with that. I believe every manufacturer has blips in products, it is how the Manufacturer is represented while repairing the problems that really drives what kind of value a customer sees in their purchase.
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Old 06-15-2013, 06:49 PM   #102
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We don't care that you have owned two whole Camaros. You're no expert. You're not a GM Camaro engineer. With your ridiculous attitude, you are certainly no GM QA engineer.

I know this is a really tough concept for you, but someone could go to the dealer, see a quality issue on a Camaro, or Camaros, and their opinion of what they saw means just as much, if not more than yours. They have just as much right to voice their opinion as anyone. So if you can get your inflated ego out of the way, let people speak.


STOP HASSLING PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD.
Wow, all I can say to that is you need to take a good look in your mirror you will see the face of a hypocrite.
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