Homepage Garage Wiki Register Members List Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > CAMARO6.com General Forums > 2016 Camaro: 6th Gen Camaro general forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-02-2013, 09:52 AM   #664
GretchenGotGrowl


 
GretchenGotGrowl's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 7,069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard1183 View Post
I mean that they'll introduce a 6th gen camaro for a few yrs then discontinue it without redesign like they have done with the 2014 camaros to the 5th gen.

Theyre not going to capitalize on the camaro like they did in the past and run it into the ground. I see them discontinuing it all together before that happens again. It was a perfect time to bring them back, but how can you justify making a "muscle car" or pony car that will eventually lose its muscle again? You cant! Makes absolutely no sense to make a hybrid or electric or 4cyl camaro. That was never its intention. Its a high performance vehicle and high performance is on its way out again unless you will have the money to pay for it. I.e. Corvette, Porche, Audi.....

The LT1 will be installed as the primary engine of the 6th gen camaro V8. 450HP will be the maximum amount of HP the Camaro is likely to see and itll drop from there.
Not sure I'm following your logic. For every Camaro sold GM sales 10+ Cruze. They don't have to hit FE targets for every model they sale, just a corp. average. Sales of things like the Cruze, Sonic and Spark will support the demand for Camaros and Corvettes for some time to come. Technology keeps improving so I won't be suprised to see 35+ MPG V8 Camaros in the future that produce as much or more power than the current 5th Gen. If they sale 2 T-4 Camaros for each V8, and those are getting close to 40 MPG 10 years from now, then GM won't have a problem keeping the model alive.
__________________
New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal
Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread
GretchenGotGrowl is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 10:18 AM   #665
Wizard1183

 
Wizard1183's Avatar
 
Drives: ABM SS2/RS M6
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Lafayette,LA
Posts: 1,447
Send a message via Yahoo to Wizard1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl View Post
Not sure I'm following your logic. For every Camaro sold GM sales 10+ Cruze. They don't have to hit FE targets for every model they sale, just a corp. average. Sales of things like the Cruze, Sonic and Spark will support the demand for Camaros and Corvettes for some time to come. Technology keeps improving so I won't be suprised to see 35+ MPG V8 Camaros in the future that produce as much or more power than the current 5th Gen. If they sale 2 T-4 Camaros for each V8, and those are getting close to 40 MPG 10 years from now, then GM won't have a problem keeping the model alive.
Sorry, but if 450HP is the maximum HP on a 6th gen. You honestly think a 7th gen will start off with 500? Maybe.... just maybe, IF and a HUGE IF, they produce a 7th gen, it would NOT be NA. It would HAVE to be turbo/supercharged to get there. Id want the HP to be NA. Then if I choose, I can add boost. I just cant see the numbers getting higher when it will basically just be unrealistic for the average guy to go outand buy a high perfomance vehicle. Thats what its coming down to. The amount of SS Camaros on the road now? You wont see that in 10 yrs from now. High perfomance will be less and less. Inflation is making the prices of vehicles even more.You see the avg.salary keeping up with it? No it doesnt which is why youll see less and less of thoseon the road. A V8 camaro in 7 yrs regardless of whether or not it has a 6.2L or a 5.3L will cost MORE than it did today. Add a supercharger or turbo and the cost will go up. So then youll be paying $40k for a V8 camaro as the base price. Eventually itll be out of reach for the norm.

I just dont see the Camaro lasting very much longer. I could be wrong, but I dont want a "high performance" car thats 400HP unless you opt for the turbo or the S/C. Thats going back to how things used to be.
__________________


Life is short, drive it like you stole it!

Last edited by Wizard1183; 05-08-2013 at 08:11 AM.
Wizard1183 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 10:32 AM   #666
GretchenGotGrowl


 
GretchenGotGrowl's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 7,069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard1183 View Post
Sorry, but if 450HP is the maximum HP on a 6th gen. You honestly think a 7th gen will start off with 500? Maybe.... just maybe, IF and a HUGE IF, they produce a 7th gen, it would NOT be NA. It would HAVE to be turbo/supercharged to get there. Id want the HP to be NA. Then if I choose, I can add boost. I just cant see the numbers getting higher when it will basically just be unrealistic for the average guy to go outand buy a high perfomance vehicle. Thats what its coming down to. The amount of SS Camaros on the road now? You wont see that in 10 yrs from now. High perfomance will be less and less. Inflation is making the prices of vehicles even more.You see the avg.salary keeping up with it? No it doesnt which is why youll see less and less of thoseon the road. A V8 camaro in 7 yrs regardless of whether or not it has a 6.2L or a 5.3L will cost MORE than it did today. Add a supercharger or turbo and the cost will go up. So then youll be paying $40k for a V8 camaro as the base price. Eventually itll be out of reach for the norm.

I just dont see the Camaro lasting very much longer. I could be wrong, but I dont want a "high performance" car thats 300HP unless you opt for the turbo or the S/C. Thats going back to how things used to be.
But if you go back and look at the price of the 1st Gen Camaros and correct for inflation, the 5th Gens with the same performance are just marginally more expensive. Yet, you get lot's of extras (i.e., air bags, a/c, sat. radio, etc...) for that extra money. Yes, we go through periods where costs go up faster than inflation, then times were they are less than inflation. It all comes out in the wash eventually.

As for the 500 HP, if GM actually develops a 10 speed transmission and reduces weight by 15%, then you may not need 500 HP to get the same performance out the same HP as the LT1 10-12 years from now.

If you don't like FI, then yes you will have a problem because all the car manufacturers are going that route. You can always go the crate engine route or just keep what you have. However, most people don't seem to be shying away from the smaller displacement, FI alternatives that are being offered now. Why would they shy away 10-12 years from now when the technology is more ubiquitous and reliable?
__________________
New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal
Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread
GretchenGotGrowl is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 10:41 AM   #667
Wizard1183

 
Wizard1183's Avatar
 
Drives: ABM SS2/RS M6
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Lafayette,LA
Posts: 1,447
Send a message via Yahoo to Wizard1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl View Post
But if you go back and look at the price of the 1st Gen Camaros and correct for inflation, the 5th Gens with the same performance are just marginally more expensive. Yet, you get lot's of extras (i.e., air bags, a/c, sat. radio, etc...) for that extra money. Yes, we go through periods where costs go up faster than inflation, then times were they are less than inflation. It all comes out in the wash eventually.

As for the 500 HP, if GM actually develops a 10 speed transmission and reduces weight by 15%, then you may not need 500 HP to get the same performance out the same HP as the LT1 10-12 years from now.

If you don't like FI, then yes you will have a problem because all the car manufacturers are going that route. You can always go the crate engine route or just keep what you have. However, most people don't seem to be shying away from the smaller displacement, FI alternatives that are being offered now. Why would they shy away 10-12 years from now when the technology is more ubiquitous and reliable?
Good points and I agree with you. But I wont be amazed at the technology engineered in 10 yrs time. Eventually with smaller displacement and same or more power, what youre referring to, equates to a ricer in american form. Not my thing. I guess everyone then they'll will have large fart pipes on their camaros.

On a serious note, the "muscle" and roar will be lost. Which is what some of us enjoy.
__________________


Life is short, drive it like you stole it!
Wizard1183 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 10:54 AM   #668
GretchenGotGrowl


 
GretchenGotGrowl's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Little Rock, AR
Posts: 7,069
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizard1183 View Post
Good points and I agree with you. But I wont be amazed at the technology engineered in 10 yrs time. Eventually with smaller displacement and same or more power, what youre referring to, equates to a ricer in american form. Not my thing. I guess everyone then they'll will have large fart pipes on their camaros.

On a serious note, the "muscle" and roar will be lost. Which is what some of us enjoy.
I don't know about the sound thing. I love how the Coyote engines sound and they are just 5L. I think a 4.6 L V8 with a supercharger would probably sound bada$$, too. Even with turbos it would probably sound good. I really don't see V8s going away in the N. American market anytime soon. There will just be other options to choose from.
__________________
New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal
Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread
GretchenGotGrowl is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2013, 07:43 AM   #669
revychevy
 
revychevy's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS LS3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: St Louis mo.
Posts: 270
[QUOTE=Wizard1183;6495569]Sorry, but if 450HP is the maximum HP on a 6th gen. You honestly think a 7th gen will start off with 500? Maybe.... just maybe, IF and a HUGE IF, they produce a 7th gen, it would NOT be NA. It would HAVE to be turbo/supercharged to get there. Id want the HP to be NA. Then if I choose, I can add boost. I just cant see the numbers getting higher when it will basically just be unrealistic for the average guy to go outand buy a high perfomance vehicle. Thats what its coming down to. The amount of SS Camaros on the road now? You wont see that in 10 yrs from now. High perfomance will be less and less. Inflation is making the prices of vehicles even more.You see the avg.salary keeping up with it? No it doesnt which is why youll see less and less of thoseon the road. A V8 camaro in 7 yrs regardless of whether or not it has a 6.2L or a 5.3L will cost MORE than it did today. Add a supercharger or turbo and the cost will go up. So then youll be paying $40k for a V8 camaro as the base price. Eventually itll be out of reach for the norm.

I just dont see the Camaro lasting very much longer. I could be wrong, but I dont want a "high performance" car thats 300HP unless you opt for the turbo or the S/C. Thats going back to how things used to be.[/QUOTE


? What do you mean? The Z/28 is 500 HP right now. The SS has been 426 HP since 2010. You don't want a high performance car thats 300 HP unless it has a turbo or SC??! Go buy a 2009 mustang GT. We'll drive the NA 400+HP Camaros!
__________________
2SS RS bone stock for now...
revychevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2013, 10:40 AM   #670
Wizard1183

 
Wizard1183's Avatar
 
Drives: ABM SS2/RS M6
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Lafayette,LA
Posts: 1,447
Send a message via Yahoo to Wizard1183
[/QUOTE]? What do you mean? The Z/28 is 500 HP right now. The SS has been 426 HP since 2010. You don't want a high performance car thats 300 HP unless it has a turbo or SC??! Go buy a 2009 mustang GT. We'll drive the NA 400+HP Camaros![/QUOTE]


What? Where'd you see that in my post? What Im saying is I dont see 400+HP in NA engines in 10 yrs. I think itll be HP made with boost to get the numbers where we're at today with NA engines. A smaller discplacement with boost to get the numbers means youre HP level decreases. Right? Thats what I was saying.

I am willing to bet in 10 yrs there wont be a 400+HP NA engine for any average guy to go and buy. We'll see but I'll stand by my thoughts until proven otherwise with the way things seem to be headed.
__________________


Life is short, drive it like you stole it!
Wizard1183 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 12:12 AM   #671
revychevy
 
revychevy's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS LS3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: St Louis mo.
Posts: 270
You said the part about not wanting a 300 HP NA engine in your previous post. It has been copied by me and Gretchen. You also said the Camaro was on its way out and that it would end with the 6th gen.

Do you want me to copy it and show you?

The Camaro is not going anywhere ( currently outselling Mustang and Challenger). The Next SS will have over 400 HP NA. The SS after that will also have 400+ HP -- and your 10 year doomsaying is pointless and based on nothing.
__________________
2SS RS bone stock for now...
revychevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 08:16 AM   #672
Wizard1183

 
Wizard1183's Avatar
 
Drives: ABM SS2/RS M6
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Lafayette,LA
Posts: 1,447
Send a message via Yahoo to Wizard1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by revychevy View Post
You said the part about not wanting a 300 HP NA engine in your previous post. It has been copied by me and Gretchen. You also said the Camaro was on its way out and that it would end with the 6th gen.

Do you want me to copy it and show you?

The Camaro is not going anywhere ( currently outselling Mustang and Challenger). The Next SS will have over 400 HP NA. The SS after that will also have 400+ HP -- and your 10 year doomsaying is pointless and based on nothing.
Sorry for the mistake bro. I meant 400 HP I fixed it. Well, its very possible GM does EXACTLY what they did in 1973 until 2002 which was milk the cow dry selling camaros as high perfomance when figuratively they were high performance for their time but NOWHERE near 1967-1972. And I can tell you that 400HP NA V8 engines are slowly going to go away. This is not speculation. Its naive NOT to think they wont.
__________________


Life is short, drive it like you stole it!
Wizard1183 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 12:44 AM   #673
revychevy
 
revychevy's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS LS3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: St Louis mo.
Posts: 270
I'm hoping they love these cars as much as us (I'm sure Fbodfather and the Camaro crew that just gave us a 500 HP Z/28 do). You feel that it will end relatively soon (6th gen) and I think it will continue. You may call me naive, but you are just guessing. One could say you are cynical. I will wait and see. Hopefully with a Z/28 in my driveway. Here's one for ya-- you probably never thought the Camaro would come back after 2002 did ya? With 426 HP no less.

Keep the faith.
__________________
2SS RS bone stock for now...
revychevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2013, 07:48 AM   #674
Wizard1183

 
Wizard1183's Avatar
 
Drives: ABM SS2/RS M6
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Lafayette,LA
Posts: 1,447
Send a message via Yahoo to Wizard1183
Quote:
Originally Posted by revychevy View Post
I'm hoping they love these cars as much as us (I'm sure Fbodfather and the Camaro crew that just gave us a 500 HP Z/28 do). You feel that it will end relatively soon (6th gen) and I think it will continue. You may call me naive, but you are just guessing. One could say you are cynical. I will wait and see. Hopefully with a Z/28 in my driveway. Here's one for ya-- you probably never thought the Camaro would come back after 2002 did ya? With 426 HP no less.

Keep the faith.
I think AFTER the 6th gen, it'll end and may dwindle down during 3 yrs after 6th gen is in place.

But hey! I hope youre right and yes I am a little cynical. But realistically, in 2025, 400HP naturally aspirated will be unheard of. It will all come from boost. Wonder how many horses that LSA ZL-1 would have had it not had the S/C on top of it? Its not a bad thing using boost. Its getting small engines up to the performance of larger ones and unless you put your foot in them, they'll do excellent at the pump. THIS is where its going.

Gas guzzler taxes will end because they wont produce anything needing it. Many ppl WANT hundreds of HP in their cars getting 50-60mpg. They DONT CARE how its done. But mostly, some ppl dont care about HP vs mpgs. They're tired of handing money over at the pump. More and more are getting to this point. Car manufacturers produce for the masses. Sure, they offer a car for the small % to obtain but overall....
__________________


Life is short, drive it like you stole it!

Last edited by Wizard1183; 05-09-2013 at 08:58 AM.
Wizard1183 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2013, 04:05 PM   #675
mr02Z/28

 
Drives: 2002 Z/28,1968 Chevelle convert.
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Phila.,PA
Posts: 964
I know folks may think I'm crazy but I would love to see a very lite weight 6th Gen with a 2.0L turdbo pushing 320-340hp.... I like odd-ball combos which is why I had a 267ci dual carb set-up in my Chevelle for about 10 years... Most would laugh at a 267ci V-8 in a Chevelle but I thought it was cool..
mr02Z/28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2013, 11:20 AM   #676
revychevy
 
revychevy's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS LS3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: St Louis mo.
Posts: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr02Z/28 View Post
I know folks may think I'm crazy but I would love to see a very lite weight 6th Gen with a 2.0L turdbo pushing 320-340hp.... I like odd-ball combos which is why I had a 267ci dual carb set-up in my Chevelle for about 10 years... Most would laugh at a 267ci V-8 in a Chevelle but I thought it was cool..

That's what modding is for. I'm all for people swapping out their V8s and whatnot and putting in the 2.0 L 4 banger. I just don't think it should come from the factory. You can always upgrade or even downgrade these cars as the mood strikes you. If you like it in your Chevelle, man do your thing. More power to ya.
__________________
2SS RS bone stock for now...
revychevy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2013, 02:44 PM   #677
332
 
Drives: 2SS
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: middle of nowhere
Posts: 136
I think that they are also considering europe as a market for the camaro and in Europe there is an annual tax mainly based on the cid(cmc) that beeing said it has to be 4 banger and tiny 2 liter. Also in Europe the gas price is a fair big amount double than the price in US so it has to be a high mpg car. In some countrys in Europe the annual tax is approx 2500$ or probably more for the 376 CID(6162CMC)!

P.S. I heard that they are trying to introduce somwhat of a tax like this in USA....maybe GM knows something about it....
332 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2013, 08:53 PM   #678
Number 3
Hail to the King baby!
 
Number 3's Avatar
 
Drives: '13 ATS 2.0T & '14 Chevrolet SS
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 9,474
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr02Z/28 View Post
I know folks may think I'm crazy but I would love to see a very lite weight 6th Gen with a 2.0L turdbo pushing 320-340hp.... I like odd-ball combos which is why I had a 267ci dual carb set-up in my Chevelle for about 10 years... Most would laugh at a 267ci V-8 in a Chevelle but I thought it was cool..
320 to 340 from a 2.0T would take a big leap in the engine cost and internals. I think 300 is pretty close to the top in the near term.

But for those so dead set against a 4 cylinder............. 2014 Audi S3, 298 HP 2.0T with a nice 0 - 60 of 4.6 seconds. Pretty much running with an SS at that point. Granted a transverse FWD architecture with AWD but 3150 pounds and runs like stink.

So that would bring us back to simply the feel and sound rather than the performance of the V8 being the question at hand.
__________________
"Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley Link to Every Camaro photo I've taken in Hi-Resolution
Number 3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2013, 08:09 PM   #679
Thrillz


 
Thrillz's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Charger R/T / 2012 Dodge Ram
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Ontario
Posts: 2,559
Great 4 cyl camaro's what's next electric and front wheel drive versions.
__________________
Quote of the year, from 6.1hemi:
"I just wanted to type some junk cause I am having some beers and I really like cars."
Thrillz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2013, 09:40 AM   #680
revychevy
 
revychevy's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS LS3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: St Louis mo.
Posts: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number 3 View Post
320 to 340 from a 2.0T would take a big leap in the engine cost and internals. I think 300 is pretty close to the top in the near term.

But for those so dead set against a 4 cylinder............. 2014 Audi S3, 298 HP 2.0T with a nice 0 - 60 of 4.6 seconds. Pretty much running with an SS at that point. Granted a transverse FWD architecture with AWD but 3150 pounds and runs like stink.

So that would bring us back to simply the feel and sound rather than the performance of the V8 being the question at hand.
The Audi RS 3 Sportback. Has a turbo 2.5-liter five-cylinder engine mated to a seven-speed S Tronic dual-clutch transmission packing 340 horsepower and 331 pound-feet of torque. It's good for a 0-60 mph run of just 4.6 seconds too. It also costs around $68,000. The S3 you mentioned (the seven speed dual clutch S Tronic model runs 0-60 around 4.9 -- very fast but also a premium hatchback running around 40 grand and competing with Mercedes.

Are you saying you want the Camaro to become a premium Hatchback? That sure ain't gonna be the entry level model. No way they could make and market a premium turbo 4 AND a V8. We might as well start comparing entry level V6 Camaros to Porsche GT3s.
__________________
2SS RS bone stock for now...
revychevy is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply

Tags
2015 camaro, 2015 camaro forum, 2015 camaro forums, 2015 chevrolet camaro, 2015 chevy camaro, 2016 camaro, 2016 camaro forum, 2016 camaro forums, 2016 chevrolet camaro, 2016 chevy camaro, 2017 camaro, 2017 chevy camaro, 6 gen camaro, 6th gen camaro, 6th gen camaro forum, 6th gen camaro forums, 6th gen camaro info, 6th gen camaro news, 6th gen camaro rumors, 6th gen chevrolet camaro, 6th gen chevy camaro, 6th gen chevy camaro forum, 6th generation camaro, 6th generation camaro info, 6th generation camaro news, 6th generation camaro rumors, 6th generation chevy camaro, camaro 6th gen, camaro 6th generation

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.