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Old 03-25-2013, 05:39 PM   #76
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Why are so many people here so accepting of the notion of something standard in the 5th gen model becoming a premium option that will cost considerably more in the 6th gen?
Nobody ever said the price of the 6.2 should go up just that the 5.3 should be less then in turn the 6.2 would be considered a premium engine and cost more then a 5.3 but not much higher then the outgoing model. Also the 6.2 lt1 isn't the same as the the 6.2 ls3 so your point is invalid.
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Because people are rolling over and letting the government dictate what we can and cannot have.
Correction "we the people" are only able to buy what the manufactures give us so don't blame us blame them.
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Old 03-25-2013, 07:05 PM   #77
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Nobody ever said the price of the 6.2 should go up just that the 5.3 should be less then in turn the 6.2 would be considered a premium engine and cost more then a 5.3 but not much higher then the outgoing model. Also the 6.2 lt1 isn't the same as the the 6.2 ls3 so your point is invalid.
I'm saying it. Basic logic dictates that a 5.3L would be at least as expensive as the current SS, with the 6.2L going way up (just as it is for the V6 if a turbo-4 is added to the lineup). The LT5.3 would not have much if any production cost difference compared to the LT6.2, with the LT version certainly not cheaper than the current LS3, and since GM is unlikely to introduce a low profit version of the SS, and since a 5.3L and 6.2L version are equally unlikely to be priced the same, that leaves only one possibility, unless the production cost of the rest of the car/Alpha platform is going to be significantly lower, which is unlikely as well.

The point isn't invalid based on the LT1. A 5.3L version of that engine would not match the output of the LS3. And the cost increase of the LT1's new goodies would be very small (a few hundred maybe) compared to the sticker price hike (likely thousands) that would be asked of a whole new trim level above the current LS3 SS, if the 6.2 become a step-up. And quite frankly, the LT1 6.2 alone is not going to be a big enough step-up from the LS3 to justify that magnitude of price increase.

Ultimately, this is a moot argument, though, because a 5.3L Camaro will likely not happen, not now anyway.
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Old 03-25-2013, 08:22 PM   #78
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If the Gen 6 weighs 3-400 lbs less than the gen 5, it takes less torque and HP to get it moving..if you think they are gonna still put a 425-450 HP engine in a base V8 camaro, I sadly feel we are at a disagreement.
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If the Gen 6 weighs 3-400 lbs less than the gen 5, it takes less torque and HP to get it moving..if you think they are gonna still put a 425-450 HP engine in a base V8 camaro, I sadly feel we are at a disagreement.
We do disagree. The base 6th gen SS will have 425-450hp.

Keep in mind that the base 2015 Mustang GT will also be in that 425-450 hp range, and weigh about the same as the 6th-gen. The GT already undercuts the SS by $3-4K on price, so if they go with a 5.3L with 375-385-ish hp in the base SS and charge extra for the 425-450hp 6.2L on top of that, it starts to become a hard sell outside the "will never buy anything but a Chevy" community. GM's product planners are certainly smart enough to know that, and the 6th-gen SS will be equipped accordingly.
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Old 03-25-2013, 09:51 PM   #80
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Well you are right, but I look at it like the 1SS(or heaven forbid a stripper Z/28) could have the 5.3 and the 2SS have the 6.2 and keep the price difference as they are now and they would still sell as they do now.
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I think the 6th gen Z/28 will have the LT1 since its torque curve is that of the LS7 up to 4000 rpms. Base SS..... Well.... Who knows? 5.3? Hmmmm
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I think the 6th gen Z/28 will have the LT1 since its torque curve is that of the LS7 up to 4000 rpms. Base SS..... Well.... Who knows? 5.3? Hmmmm
The LT1 is the base engine. Why would they put it in the Z/28?
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The LT1 is the base engine. Why would they put it in the Z/28?
Good question. Not sure. My question to you is, what'll they use for a Z/28 engine in the 6th gen if produced? Which I'm 95% sure they'll produce it. I don't think the LS7 will be produced in a 6th gen. So give me the list of gen V engines they're bringing to the table.
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Correction "we the people" are only able to buy what the manufactures give us so don't blame us blame them.
So what you are saying is, if it wasn't for CAFE and other government regulations regarding emissions, GM would still be building the LT1 with cylinder deactivation instead of building an engine that produces more power and torque while getting less MPG?

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Good question. Not sure. My question to you is, what'll they use for a Z/28 engine in the 6th gen if produced? Which I'm 95% sure they'll produce it. I don't think the LS7 will be produced in a 6th gen. So give me the list of gen V engines they're bringing to the table.
I'm predicting the 6th gen Z/28 will end up with the same engine the C7Z06 ends up with or some variation of it. That's all my speculation of course and GM could end up building a less extreme Z28 to please more people instead of the Z/28 like they did for the 5th gen.
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5th Gen Z/28 is likely the last production car the 7L LS7 will power.

Gen V performance V8's will likely have as many variants as the current Gen IV's lineup.
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So what you are saying is, if it wasn't for CAFE and other government regulations regarding emissions, GM would still be building the LT1 with cylinder deactivation instead of building an engine that produces more power and torque while getting less MPG?



I'm predicting the 6th gen Z/28 will end up with the same engine the C7Z06 ends up with or some variation of it. That's all my speculation of course and GM could end up building a less extreme Z28 to please more people instead of the Z/28 like they did for the 5th gen.
this! They're going to pump Z/28s out like they're giving them away since the 5th gen will do so well at the track. Unfortunately the 6th gen Z won't hold a candle to this one but it may be a pretty decent track car. Who knows?

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5th Gen Z/28 is likely the last production car the 7L LS7 will power.

That's right! No more LS7s in production. If the LT1 is going to be Chevys bread & butter? Forget all the engines that come in to play after it as I don't believe any will bring more than 450HP to the camaro. It's 2nd gen all over again! CAFE standards coming harder and muscle cars are dying.

Gen V performance V8's will likely have as many variants as the current Gen IV's lineup.
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this! They're going to pump Z/28s out like they're giving them away since the 5th gen will do so well at the track. Unfortunately the 6th gen Z won't hold a candle to this one but it may be a pretty decent track car. Who knows?
I don't see them pumping Z/28s out but I bet they build a decent number.


Like I said earlier, the LT1 is the base engine so if makes the most HP, the LT series will be a disappointment. I see it being like the LS where the later engines were more powerful.
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I don't see them pumping Z/28s out but I bet they build a decent number.


Like I said earlier, the LT1 is the base engine so if makes the most HP, the LT series will be a disappointment. I see it being like the LS where the later engines were more powerful.
Here's the thing. We only know of the LT1 as the largest gen V engine. We know it produces 450HP. If this is the case I don't see a variety of engines made. Maybe a 5.3L SS and LT1 powered Z? Or LT1 in every v8 camaro. The power output of engines will begin to go down. Not up. May be standard as the 6th gen with 450hp throughout the series, but eventually they will either discontinue the camaro or make them like 80s models with much less HP. I see the first option coming quickly as GM will not repeat what took place there.
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Old 04-26-2013, 08:46 PM   #90
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5th Gen Z/28 is likely the last production car the 7L LS7 will power.

Gen V performance V8's will likely have as many variants as the current Gen IV's lineup.
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LT1, LT4, and maybe something called "LT.85".

LS7 will make "at least 500" hp in the Gen-5 Z/28; LS3 makes 426 in the current SS. Differential of the SS to Z/28 is .85 (or 85%) hp rating: 426/500 = .85.

LT1 in the Gen-6 Z/28 would make "at least 450 hp", as per C7 Vette; LT.85 could be either: 5.3L vs. 6.2L (5.3/6.2 = .85) OR "at least 385 hp" as a 5.3L sport-tuned SS engine (385/450 = .85).

For sure and certain, Reuss and the Team will see to it that the Z/28 continues into Gen-6 as THE top-performing n/a Camaro. And a 5.3L 385 (or greater) hp SS, wearing a tailored suit styled to 3500 lb., would have the same p2w rating as the current SS: 9.06 lb/hp. Better mpgs, too, with the coming 8-speed Automatic or 7-speed Manual, along with the other mpg-assisting technologies aboard.

A 5.3 SS could afford some price stability, too.

Win-win-win.

LOWDOWN, I'm with you on this one, especially is the "bargain" C7 with the 5.3 materializes.

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Old 04-27-2013, 11:21 AM   #91
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Well seven o joe, it looks like LT1 for 6th gen Z/28 is spot on. It has the same torque value up to 4k rpms as an LS7. If that's the case, then 5.3L will prolly be an SS. But as you said possibly more engines with the LT4 and such so we'll see...
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I still say the SS will get the LT1, Z/28 will get some variant of the Z06 engine and the ZL1 will get some variant of the ZR1 engine.
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