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Old 02-17-2013, 10:15 PM   #18
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Does the Camaro and Corvette share the same engine? From what I understood, the ZR1 has the LS9, the Z06 has the LS7. Does the base Corvette have the LS3? If it does, I would have imagined the Camaro SS having an "inferior" engine in comparison to the base Corvette.
Yes, base Vette has the LS3 and the Grand Sport Coupe has a dry sump LS3.
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:06 PM   #19
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Ok...so let's say this LT1 engine is the "standard" V-8 for the 6thGen SS...

...any rumors, or whatever about other V-8 options?...LS7? LS3, is done with?...Could these be special ordered???...just hoping some V-8 would be available without AFM...
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LT4 will probably work its way into the 6th gen eventually.
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:15 PM   #21
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LT4 will probably work its way into the 6th gen eventually.
Ok...I'll bite...What the heck is an LT4?...lol...(sorry...lol)...(the short version will do)...lol
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Well let's just say the Gen V V8 is very friendly with forced induction.
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:54 PM   #23
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Ok...so let's say this LT1 engine is the "standard" V-8 for the 6thGen SS...

...any rumors, or whatever about other V-8 options?...LS7? LS3, is done with?...Could these be special ordered???...just hoping some V-8 would be available without AFM...
I think the rumors about the LS7 are more for the final year(s) of the 5th Gen. I think (read hope) the LS7 will have it's swan song with the Camaro, but I'm pretty sure its on the way out.

I don't really know what to expect with the LS3. I don't think it will go away immediately, but GM is going the migrate everything over to the Gen V motors at some point. We will probably see the LS3 and L99 through the rest of the 5th Gen Camaro runs. We may see the L99 popup in some other platforms before it is retired. It's all really hard to guess, but we know ultimately GM will replace the Gen IV motors with the Gen V motors.
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:31 PM   #24
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Well let's just say the Gen V V8 is very friendly with forced induction.
We've touched on this subject before, and I have to say I don't doubt that at all.

The V6 DI engines are capable of making some pretty impressive power figures with just 6 - 8 psi of boost. (450+ HP at the crank) But past that amount of boost, we typically see fuel issues where the stock pump can't keep up.

That same small amount of boost on a modern V8 DI engine should be super impressive.
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We've touched on this subject before, and I have to say I don't doubt that at all.

The V6 DI engines are capable of making some pretty impressive power figures with just 6 - 8 psi of boost. (450+ HP at the crank) But past that amount of boost, we typically see fuel issues where the stock pump can't keep up.

That same small amount of boost on a modern V8 DI engine should be super impressive.
Yeah, these mechanical High-Pressure Fuel Pumps are a PITA. Too big and they flow too much fuel at idle and low RPMs. Too small and they don't flow enough at the high RPMs. It would be nice if they had two, one that had a valve that didn't open to the fuel rails until the RPMs were above 4000, otherwise it just recirculates the fuel. I think that would solve the problem for high HP demands.
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Yeah, these mechanical High-Pressure Fuel Pumps are a PITA. Too big and they flow too much fuel at idle and low RPMs. Too small and they don't flow enough at the high RPMs. It would be nice if they had two, one that had a valve that didn't open to the fuel rails until the RPMs were above 4000, otherwise it just recirculates the fuel. I think that would solve the problem for high HP demands.
Design it, patent it, and we'll go into business and sell that to car manufacturers for ridiculous amounts of money
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Design it, patent it, and we'll go into business and sell that to car manufacturers for ridiculous amounts of money
I'll leave that to the big guys because it would be expensive to develop. May have a better thing in the works for much cheaper, but it won't be my idea. Working on a way to port inject supplemental fuel at higher RPMs. It will have the advantage in that it will clean the valves, too (big problem with DI engines). Going to try to make it so you can also inject nitrous as well .
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Just curious...If the new Gen6 is smaller, lighter, handles better, etc., how would the hp/torq/0-60, etc. compare to the Gen5?...I've heard code numbers for other V-8's (LS7, whatever), what are we talking in c.i. or horsepower?...Will the LS3 or L99 be unchanged in the Gen6...

(Sort of burned out on the I-4 thing, so what about the "big-dog" engines that may go in the Gen6?)...Thanks...
Your best bet is to look into the new Gen-V small blocks that GM has developed. I'm sure there will be many variants, but the LT-1 in the new Corvette pumps out 450+hp/450+torque, with a torque curve similar to the LS7 up to about 4000 rpms...and dramatically increased fuel economy, too.

But...as long as your crystal ball is polished - you're guess is as good as mine!
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Ok...I'll bite...What the heck is an LT4?...lol...(sorry...lol)...(the short version will do)...lol

This is short...

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The skinny is that they are pitting the LF3<3.6 L TT> against the LT1<naturally aspirated 6.2L>, and the LF3 against the LT1 with a supercharger (ala LT4, as mentioned previously, but not specified in the report by the same engine nomenclature) in the next Gen Cadillac's. Stay tuned.
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Your best bet is to look into the new Gen-V small blocks that GM has developed. I'm sure there will be many variants, but the LT-1 in the new Corvette pumps out 450+hp/450+torque, with a torque curve similar to the LS7 up to about 4000 rpms...and dramatically increased fuel economy, too.

But...as long as your crystal ball is polished - you're guess is as good as mine!
By variants, perhaps you mean "options" or "choices" in the V-8 (s) ??
LT1 (with or without AFM, in either auto or manual trans)?, LT4 (Super-charged, turbo-charged)...Also, perhaps thinking incorrectly, that AFM is not "do-able" with some form of forced-induction..?

Just sayin', an option list for V-8 engines would be awesome, and right up Chevy's reputation for being able to interchange engines....(Perhaps crystal ball is getting a little foggy here)...lol

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Thanks, gives what they used to be...but those links for the LT1 sort of showed that using the old codes for engines doesn't mean much these days...lol...

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AFM on the 2014 stringray with have the option of turning on or off by the owner.
If true, that sounds like a definite "upgrade" from the current LS3/L99..

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The skinny is that they are pitting the LF3<3.6 L TT> against the LT1<naturally aspirated 6.2L>, and the LF3 against the LT1 with a supercharger (ala LT4, as mentioned previously, but not specified in the report by the same engine nomenclature) in the next Gen Cadillac's. Stay tuned.
Wondering again about Camaro V-8 options...would rather see them available as a choice from the beginning, instead of year-to-year assembly line change that would only be available for that particular year...
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LS3/L99..
Wondering again about Camaro V-8 options...would rather see them available as a choice from the beginning, instead of year-to-year assembly line change that would only be available for that particular year...
...but if one is a student of GM history, one would know they do not follow that approach you mentioned. They build engines, designate them for platforms/models, that are certified. Certification is a lenghty and time consuming process...thats' what GM does...guarantees their engines within a reasonable degree of cetainty. They do not deviate from that certification, until they come up with a new engine platform. In past history, these powerplants have been used for a predetermined service life. There is no yearly change, or upgrade, and this doctrine has been in place been. There is no reason they would change it. We have not seen what GM has in store with the DI Gen 5 motors. Cadillac and Corvette will unveil the next lineage, from there we shall follow. Stay tuned, and read on beyond C5 for info.
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...but if one is a student of GM history, one would know they do not follow that approach you mentioned. They build engines, designate them for platforms/models, that are certified. Certification is a lenghty and time consuming process...thats' what GM does...guarantees their engines within a reasonable degree of cetainty. They do not deviate from that certification, until they come up with a new engine platform. In past history, these powerplants have been used for a predetermined service life. There is no yearly change, or upgrade, and this doctrine has been in place been. There is no reason they would change it. We have not seen what GM has in store with the DI Gen 5 motors. Cadillac and Corvette will unveil the next lineage, from there we shall follow. Stay tuned, and read on beyond C5 for info.
Not disagreeing with you on that...sure you're probably right...was just thinking of a comparison like the 60's...you could get a 350, or a 396 or whatever, all in the same year, all with different variations...Probably never see that again, but why not, for example, LT1 (standard)...LS3, LT4,or LS7 available as an option...

...These engines already exist, are "certified" or whatever...just sayin'...
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