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Old 02-07-2013, 08:21 PM   #29
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First let me say that I really want another V6 in the 6th gen. I'd love to see a T4 with around 260HP and maybe 260 - 270 TQ and a V6 with 340HP and 290 - 300 TQ.

But have you guys seen what a tune does to the new 2.0 T4 in the buick and the ATS?

Thats near L99 Territory torque at the wheels right there:

You keep posting this. But who warranties this hand grenade?
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:36 PM   #30
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Fen the Iron Duke and the 2.5 or 2.0T are not on the same planet. Around the down the corner and around the block must be a long way where you come from.
You've been close to where I live a couple times. Imagine that whole area as farmland and that's how it was when I was growing up. So yeah, it kinda was.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:52 PM   #31
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You keep posting this. But who warranties this hand grenade?
Nobody. Whats your point? You ever modded a car before? If so, then you also willing to throw away your warranty.

I'm not saying I'd be perfectly comfortable pushing the stock internals to the limit either, but its worth letting people know what these things are capable of with just a tune right? Its interesting. Maybe it doesn't sound V8 like, but thinking these things are slow is just old thinking.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:10 PM   #32
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Nobody. Whats your point? You ever modded a car before? If so, then you also willing to throw away your warranty.

I'm not saying I'd be perfectly comfortable pushing the stock internals to the limit either, but its worth letting people know what these things are capable of with just a tune right? Its interesting. Maybe it doesn't sound V8 like, but thinking these things are slow is just old thinking.
Just an observation....seems like whenever a discussion over this I-4 in a Camaro comes up, it's praises as a respectable performance motor are only made after elaborate modifications have been added....Sure, you can probably mod the heck out of something for greater numbers, but in stock form, as it will probably be made, won't even be close to those...sort of defeats the affordable, entry-level argument...
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:13 PM   #33
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The same reason you went with a gray Camaro over blue, or red, or yellow. Because it's all about options. People want options.
Are you insulting gray Camaros?
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:23 PM   #34
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Are you insulting gray Camaros?
Of course not. It's just simply any other color Camaro that got old and needs AARP
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:27 PM   #35
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The problem that most of the close minded folks who think only a v8 belongs in the Camaro is that they don't realize that if the Camaro was v8 only there would not be enough business justification for the vehicle to exist. Without the v6, there would be no Camaro. Period.

Furthermore, my 1994 Camaro was a v6 when I bought it. I'm now one of the most passionate Camaro enthusiasts you'll meet. I run a Michigan-based Camaro and Firebird website with over 2300 members, I host a 300+ Camaro and Firebird specific car show every year, go to a ton of shows through the "car show season" in Michigan, registered on basically every Camaro forum on the internet, etc. Because of my '94 Camaro v6, I am likewise passionate about General Motors in general which made me work extra hard to get a job at General Motors world headquarters in Detroit. I eat, breathe, sleep GM and Camaro. I cannot imagine NOT owning at least one Camaro now for the rest of my life... And all that because of a v6...

So when I found out I could afford a 5th gen if I went with the base, 1LS model... Yeah, I didn't hesitate.
We aren't talking about v6 Camaros we're talking 4bangers. If 4 banger SS's are cool, why NOT 2 cylinder smart Camaros or electric Prius Camaros?
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We aren't talking about v6 Camaros we're talking 4bangers. If 4 banger SS's are cool, why NOT 2 cylinder smart Camaros or electric Prius Camaros?


Nobody's talking about putting a 4-cylinder in the SS.
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Nobody's talking about putting a 4-cylinder in the SS.
Good. It makes me ill. As for how great they perform when FI, can't you FI a V8? The new DI V8 on the 2014 Stingray seems to get good gas milage. (Not that I truly cared about that when I bought my SS or that it will be my first consideration if they make an LS7 Z28!
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Yes. And the LT1 will go into the 6th gen. We're talking base engines here.

A smaller, lighter Camaro on Alpha will perform very well with the 2.0T LTG. Just look at ATS.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:03 AM   #39
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I would buy 4cyl. in other cars, but never in a camaro. That would be too much of a compromise.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:16 AM   #40
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I would buy 4cyl. in other cars, but never in a camaro. That would be too much of a compromise.
That's a ridiculous statement. Here's a no cylinder car that blows the doors off your Camaro:
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The problem that most of the close minded folks who think only a v8 belongs in the Camaro is that they don't realize that if the Camaro was v8 only there would not be enough business justification for the vehicle to exist. Without the v6, there would be no Camaro. Period.

Furthermore, my 1994 Camaro was a v6 when I bought it. I'm now one of the most passionate Camaro enthusiasts you'll meet. I run a Michigan-based Camaro and Firebird website with over 2300 members, I host a 300+ Camaro and Firebird specific car show every year, go to a ton of shows through the "car show season" in Michigan, registered on basically every Camaro forum on the internet, etc. Because of my '94 Camaro v6, I am likewise passionate about General Motors in general which made me work extra hard to get a job at General Motors world headquarters in Detroit. I eat, breathe, sleep GM and Camaro. I cannot imagine NOT owning at least one Camaro now for the rest of my life... And all that because of a v6...

So when I found out I could afford a 5th gen if I went with the base, 1LS model... Yeah, I didn't hesitate.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:38 AM   #42
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
Because for lots of folks, hardcore performance and even the characteristic V8 rumble does not mean much. "Peppy" performance, sure, and 260-ish HP and torque is entirely sufficient to give you that in a 3400-ish lb car and satisfy the vast majority of car buyers. Trust me on this point.

It's just that it's hard to see how people can think that way when you're a member of a forum with countless threads devoted to tunes, supercharging, and "which exhaust should I get". It really is hard to see the "non-enthusiast" mindset.

And like was said at least once already, all those people who would support the Camaro platform by buying it in 4-cylinder trim would be making it possible for you to have it in any trim at all. I wouldn't diss their choice so lightly.


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