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Old 02-07-2013, 07:41 PM   #26
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
The same reason you went with a gray Camaro over blue, or red, or yellow. Because it's all about options. People want options.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:56 PM   #27
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
Pretty much the same reasons that some people want 6 cylinder Camaros. More fuel efficient, weigh less, and cost less. Its not that big of a mystery really.

And keep in mind that the new naturally aspirated 2.5L 4 banger has a similar overall output to the 3.4L V6 used in Camaros 20 years ago, and a good deal more than the 2.8L V6 used 30 years ago. GM's turbo4 makes numbers that aren't too far from what the supercharged 3800s were making in the late 90's.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:58 PM   #28
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:21 PM   #29
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First let me say that I really want another V6 in the 6th gen. I'd love to see a T4 with around 260HP and maybe 260 - 270 TQ and a V6 with 340HP and 290 - 300 TQ.

But have you guys seen what a tune does to the new 2.0 T4 in the buick and the ATS?

Thats near L99 Territory torque at the wheels right there:

You keep posting this. But who warranties this hand grenade?
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:36 PM   #30
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Fen the Iron Duke and the 2.5 or 2.0T are not on the same planet. Around the down the corner and around the block must be a long way where you come from.
You've been close to where I live a couple times. Imagine that whole area as farmland and that's how it was when I was growing up. So yeah, it kinda was.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:52 PM   #31
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You keep posting this. But who warranties this hand grenade?
Nobody. Whats your point? You ever modded a car before? If so, then you also willing to throw away your warranty.

I'm not saying I'd be perfectly comfortable pushing the stock internals to the limit either, but its worth letting people know what these things are capable of with just a tune right? Its interesting. Maybe it doesn't sound V8 like, but thinking these things are slow is just old thinking.
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Nobody. Whats your point? You ever modded a car before? If so, then you also willing to throw away your warranty.

I'm not saying I'd be perfectly comfortable pushing the stock internals to the limit either, but its worth letting people know what these things are capable of with just a tune right? Its interesting. Maybe it doesn't sound V8 like, but thinking these things are slow is just old thinking.
Just an observation....seems like whenever a discussion over this I-4 in a Camaro comes up, it's praises as a respectable performance motor are only made after elaborate modifications have been added....Sure, you can probably mod the heck out of something for greater numbers, but in stock form, as it will probably be made, won't even be close to those...sort of defeats the affordable, entry-level argument...
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The same reason you went with a gray Camaro over blue, or red, or yellow. Because it's all about options. People want options.
Are you insulting gray Camaros?
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:23 PM   #34
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Of course not. It's just simply any other color Camaro that got old and needs AARP
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The problem that most of the close minded folks who think only a v8 belongs in the Camaro is that they don't realize that if the Camaro was v8 only there would not be enough business justification for the vehicle to exist. Without the v6, there would be no Camaro. Period.

Furthermore, my 1994 Camaro was a v6 when I bought it. I'm now one of the most passionate Camaro enthusiasts you'll meet. I run a Michigan-based Camaro and Firebird website with over 2300 members, I host a 300+ Camaro and Firebird specific car show every year, go to a ton of shows through the "car show season" in Michigan, registered on basically every Camaro forum on the internet, etc. Because of my '94 Camaro v6, I am likewise passionate about General Motors in general which made me work extra hard to get a job at General Motors world headquarters in Detroit. I eat, breathe, sleep GM and Camaro. I cannot imagine NOT owning at least one Camaro now for the rest of my life... And all that because of a v6...

So when I found out I could afford a 5th gen if I went with the base, 1LS model... Yeah, I didn't hesitate.
We aren't talking about v6 Camaros we're talking 4bangers. If 4 banger SS's are cool, why NOT 2 cylinder smart Camaros or electric Prius Camaros?
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We aren't talking about v6 Camaros we're talking 4bangers. If 4 banger SS's are cool, why NOT 2 cylinder smart Camaros or electric Prius Camaros?


Nobody's talking about putting a 4-cylinder in the SS.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:37 PM   #37
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Nobody's talking about putting a 4-cylinder in the SS.
Good. It makes me ill. As for how great they perform when FI, can't you FI a V8? The new DI V8 on the 2014 Stingray seems to get good gas milage. (Not that I truly cared about that when I bought my SS or that it will be my first consideration if they make an LS7 Z28!
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Yes. And the LT1 will go into the 6th gen. We're talking base engines here.

A smaller, lighter Camaro on Alpha will perform very well with the 2.0T LTG. Just look at ATS.
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I would buy 4cyl. in other cars, but never in a camaro. That would be too much of a compromise.
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That's a ridiculous statement. Here's a no cylinder car that blows the doors off your Camaro:
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The problem that most of the close minded folks who think only a v8 belongs in the Camaro is that they don't realize that if the Camaro was v8 only there would not be enough business justification for the vehicle to exist. Without the v6, there would be no Camaro. Period.

Furthermore, my 1994 Camaro was a v6 when I bought it. I'm now one of the most passionate Camaro enthusiasts you'll meet. I run a Michigan-based Camaro and Firebird website with over 2300 members, I host a 300+ Camaro and Firebird specific car show every year, go to a ton of shows through the "car show season" in Michigan, registered on basically every Camaro forum on the internet, etc. Because of my '94 Camaro v6, I am likewise passionate about General Motors in general which made me work extra hard to get a job at General Motors world headquarters in Detroit. I eat, breathe, sleep GM and Camaro. I cannot imagine NOT owning at least one Camaro now for the rest of my life... And all that because of a v6...

So when I found out I could afford a 5th gen if I went with the base, 1LS model... Yeah, I didn't hesitate.
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
Because for lots of folks, hardcore performance and even the characteristic V8 rumble does not mean much. "Peppy" performance, sure, and 260-ish HP and torque is entirely sufficient to give you that in a 3400-ish lb car and satisfy the vast majority of car buyers. Trust me on this point.

It's just that it's hard to see how people can think that way when you're a member of a forum with countless threads devoted to tunes, supercharging, and "which exhaust should I get". It really is hard to see the "non-enthusiast" mindset.

And like was said at least once already, all those people who would support the Camaro platform by buying it in 4-cylinder trim would be making it possible for you to have it in any trim at all. I wouldn't diss their choice so lightly.


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Just an observation....seems like whenever a discussion over this I-4 in a Camaro comes up, it's praises as a respectable performance motor are only made after elaborate modifications have been added....Sure, you can probably mod the heck out of something for greater numbers, but in stock form, as it will probably be made, won't even be close to those...sort of defeats the affordable, entry-level argument...
I guess it depends on the person's views of "respectable performance".

Even at stock numbers with 260 - 280HP/TQ, in a 3,3xx lb car would likely be a low 6 second 0 - 60, and mid 14 second 1/4 mile car. I think thats respectable for a base 4-cylinder car. If they decide to bump the numbers into the 300s, well then it will likely be as fast or faster than todays V6.
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Subaru's Legacy 2.5 GT (3400-ish, 260-ish) is a high 13 second car (and low 5's to 60 mph). At anything above about 2000 rpm where the boost has started to come in, you'd never guess it was "only a 4" by the seat of the pants feel.

Chevy could do far worse than target that range of performance for an I4 Camaro (and as an I4 it would have a far more pleasant exhaust note than Subaru's H4).


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You guys do realize it wouldn't be the first time Camaro had 4 cylinders?...
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That's a ridiculous statement. Here's a no cylinder car that blows the doors off your Camaro:
I get that a lot of you guys like low displacement turbo green cars, but why do you need to attack a guy who says he would only buy the V8? That's what he likes. A lot of us like it. If no one wanted to buy a V8 version of this car we wouldn't need anything but a Malibu. Showing a $150,000 electric super car means nothing. Might as well show a Bugatti.
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Hey, here's an idea. Why not make a small turbo 4 banger like a Cobalt SS with one of their econo cars? Because if they turn the Camaro into a Cobalt or worse a Leaf then I will be in the market for a Mustang, Challenger or whoever is still making muscle cars. There are probably others who think like me. Not knocking your choice however, drive a lawn mower if you want, or a Kia hamster mobile. I like big displacement NA V8. Sue me.
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I get that a lot of you guys like low displacement turbo green cars, but why do you need to attack a guy who says he would only buy the V8? That's what he likes. A lot of us like it. If no one wanted to buy a V8 version of this car we wouldn't need anything but a Malibu. Showing a $150,000 electric super car means nothing. Might as well show a Bugatti.
What I see, is if this small displacement I-4 engine is such a great thing, they are a dime a dozen in existing makes of smaller, lighter platforms...If someone is such a fan of these engines, I don't see why they "need" to be put into a Camaro...

...I disagree with the argument that these cars need a small engine for the V-8 to even be available, (as if the fours and sixes were doing us a favor)...I see it the other way around, the V-8 gives the car it's appeal, and the Camaro wouldn't have been built if it weren't for the V-8, not the other way around...

I saw the thread that showed the production numbers for the 2011-2012 Camaros...as I re-call, the V-6 was not a runaway majority, it was fairly even....
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