GM to drop Pontiac - Page 2

BackinBlackSS/RS · 04-23-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by comiskeybum

why? its a ugly car. and the sales numbers are horrible.

Your nuts!! That car is great looking and is selling pretty darn well.

lafountain · 04-23-2009, 10:11 PM

What about just renaming the G8 the new Monte Carlo?

cyberbro · 04-23-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lafountain

What about just renaming the G8 the new Monte Carlo?

Monte is a 2 door car! New Impala, I bet the cops would like that!

FenwickHockey65 · 04-23-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberbro

Monte is a 2 door car! New Impala, I bet the cops would like that!

Courtesy of MonaroSS on GMI.

lafountain · 04-23-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberbro

Monte is a 2 door car! New Impala, I bet the cops would like that!

True, didn't like the fact that Dodge made the Charger a 4 door, probably wouldn't like it if Chevy made the Monte a 4-door either.

Justin · 04-23-2009, 10:31 PM

Well, as much as it would suck to see Pontiac go, I suppose it would make my G8 vs. Camaro decision much easier!

VictoryRed08 · 04-23-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by drivingincamaro

At least save the G8 and rebadge it as a Chevy!!!!!

camaro5 · 04-23-2009, 11:28 PM

I grew up in Pontiacs.

2010SSRSM6 · 04-24-2009, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by comiskeybum

pontiac sucks anyway, let it die. at least there wont be any hope of a trans am to interfere with the camaro. this is why camaro died in first place cuz gm had 2 muscle cars screwing each other over.

Sure, blame Pontiac for GM not being smart enough to give the Camaro a trunk and sleek restyle.

Ford realized that the hatchback sucked and fixed the Mustang and Killed the Camaro AND Firebird.

Trans Am was a package just like Z28.

I tried to give the late 90's/early 2000's cars a shot. It lasted 5k miles, just like my rearend.

The hole that was suposed to be your trunk was the dumbest idea ever. Lots of thought was put into that.

Better late than never I guess.

diddiyo · 04-24-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Morepwr

You should test drive a G8 GXP, thats one nice car!

that's exactly what it is. ONE nice car (G8, including GXP, GT etc) out of a lineup of what, 8 cars or so? everything else is crap. let Pontiac die and rebadge the G8 as Chevy.

camaro1 · 04-24-2009, 08:41 AM

vibe isnt even a real pontiac, remember the vibe is just a re-badged toyota matrix

Hylton · 04-24-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by camaro1

vibe isnt even a real pontiac, remember the vibe is just a re-badged toyota matrix

And here I thought the Toyota Matrix was just a rebadged Pontiac Vibe.

camaro1 · 04-24-2009, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hylton

And here I thought the Toyota Matrix was just a rebadged Pontiac Vibe.

nope, go pop the hood on a vibe and read any of the engine parts or sensors, they all say toyota on them

Oracle · 04-24-2009, 10:32 AM

Just like the rebadgeing concept people tear down pontiac for GM doing it wrong. Pontiac just needs some love to make them a performance division and give them a reason to live. BTW pontiac has had quite some success with all of its performance vehicles. the last firebird, for example. this was one of the best cases of badge engineering. the car used the same F-body, the same powertrain, the same factory. what killed it was the fact that it got old, tired, and needed a replacement which the bean counters decided wasnt a good idea. The recent GTO also did exactly what it was intended to do as well. GM f'ed the resale value on 04 models because it updated the look and engine right out of the gate. other than that it was ment to have a short run in life as the monaro was set to be replaced by the commodore. the production got chopped one year early because the car didnt meet 07 safety regulations and wasnt worth a redesign for a single year of sales. I think that pontiac should rething their lineup to something more in line with the europeans and offer similar performance from something much less sophisticated and offer it at bottom prices. then stick them all in a raceing catagory and build a name for them

G8 - we all know this puppy, and its raceing in the v8 supercars over in australia
G7 - could also be named the g8 GTO, basically that coupe 60 concept was GORGEOUS and needs to be put into production. this is GTO styling done right. American Lemans, European Lemans, grand am series, im sure you could find somewhere to put this. just find a spot where there isnt Camaros, vettes, or CTSs already. or better yet, make them the teammate.
G6 - The Zeta platform had 3 sizes in mind when they created it, medium, large, and very large. the g8 is the middle child, so where is the little brother? if its the zeta II then maybe they could do a v6 only sedan version on that platform. throw in some DoD, Di, vvt and you even have your mainstream moddel putting out fantastic fuel economy without watering down the performance name. remember just Di got it to 29 in camaro form. Already laying waste in the rolex and grand am series.
G5 - sport/SS version of the cobalt ONLY! we dont need an XFE g5 running around... and the cobalt has to need a styling refresh soon. this is the fastest FWD car to date. let it be the ameture racer's car of choice
G4 - this is what the Vibe needs to evolve into. a sporty little hatchback, maybe once saturn dies then give them the astra. stick this thing in rally raceing
Solstice - platform is dead but that doesnt mean the car cant be based off another upcoming platform. there have been talks of stuff like alpha II and such, so maybe it might survive somehow. Autocross heaven anybody?

then to round out the pack get pontiac into some real raceing. we just got an american team into F1, want to make that 2 american teams? if you have pontiac's name popping up winning races everywhere you wont have to advertise the things because they will sell themselves... but please dont leave them hanging and not advertise.

04-23-2009, 10:11 PM	#16
lafountain Drives: 2011 Synergy Green 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Lexington Park, MD Posts: 887	What about just renaming the G8 the new Monte Carlo? __________________ Hey, you want to lay the fate of the world on the kid's Camaro? That's cool. I bought a car, turned out to be an alien robot. Who knew?

04-23-2009, 10:31 PM	#20
Justin Camaro5's Cell Phone Geek Drives: '02 V6 Camaro. 5 speed manual. Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 407	Well, as much as it would suck to see Pontiac go, I suppose it would make my G8 vs. Camaro decision much easier! __________________ 2SS RJT with black rally stripes, RS package, sunroof, painted engine block cover. It's either that or a damned similar 'vert in a few years.

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04-24-2009, 10:32 AM	#28
Oracle Drives: Ford Focus Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Phoenix, Az Posts: 71	Just like the rebadgeing concept people tear down pontiac for GM doing it wrong. Pontiac just needs some love to make them a performance division and give them a reason to live. BTW pontiac has had quite some success with all of its performance vehicles. the last firebird, for example. this was one of the best cases of badge engineering. the car used the same F-body, the same powertrain, the same factory. what killed it was the fact that it got old, tired, and needed a replacement which the bean counters decided wasnt a good idea. The recent GTO also did exactly what it was intended to do as well. GM f'ed the resale value on 04 models because it updated the look and engine right out of the gate. other than that it was ment to have a short run in life as the monaro was set to be replaced by the commodore. the production got chopped one year early because the car didnt meet 07 safety regulations and wasnt worth a redesign for a single year of sales. I think that pontiac should rething their lineup to something more in line with the europeans and offer similar performance from something much less sophisticated and offer it at bottom prices. then stick them all in a raceing catagory and build a name for them G8 - we all know this puppy, and its raceing in the v8 supercars over in australia G7 - could also be named the g8 GTO, basically that coupe 60 concept was GORGEOUS and needs to be put into production. this is GTO styling done right. American Lemans, European Lemans, grand am series, im sure you could find somewhere to put this. just find a spot where there isnt Camaros, vettes, or CTSs already. or better yet, make them the teammate. G6 - The Zeta platform had 3 sizes in mind when they created it, medium, large, and very large. the g8 is the middle child, so where is the little brother? if its the zeta II then maybe they could do a v6 only sedan version on that platform. throw in some DoD, Di, vvt and you even have your mainstream moddel putting out fantastic fuel economy without watering down the performance name. remember just Di got it to 29 in camaro form. Already laying waste in the rolex and grand am series. G5 - sport/SS version of the cobalt ONLY! we dont need an XFE g5 running around... and the cobalt has to need a styling refresh soon. this is the fastest FWD car to date. let it be the ameture racer's car of choice G4 - this is what the Vibe needs to evolve into. a sporty little hatchback, maybe once saturn dies then give them the astra. stick this thing in rally raceing Solstice - platform is dead but that doesnt mean the car cant be based off another upcoming platform. there have been talks of stuff like alpha II and such, so maybe it might survive somehow. Autocross heaven anybody? then to round out the pack get pontiac into some real raceing. we just got an american team into F1, want to make that 2 american teams? if you have pontiac's name popping up winning races everywhere you wont have to advertise the things because they will sell themselves... but please dont leave them hanging and not advertise.

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