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Old 07-26-2011, 10:07 AM   #15
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I believe Alpha platform will be smaller and lighter than the Zeta platform??
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:09 AM   #16
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Keep in mind that CAFE stands for Corporate Average Fuel Economy. Chevrolet has several models pulling the average up so there is plenty of room for some making a little less. 400+hp and 30+MPG is not real hard to do.
I was wondering if a 'total average' would be the case. Thank you for pointing that out.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:11 AM   #17
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A 5.7 liter would be sick. And I have rode a 400 hp twin turbo 350z and it pulled crazy but the low end torque was no where near what my car has and that just made me a little sad. I hope that is not the case if gm goes to a V6
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:13 AM   #18
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Here's hoping for a turbo ecotech 4 with at least 300hp in the base model. With the 50,000 miles a year I'm putting on the DD I'm figuring it will last 150,000-200,000 miles top. Should come just in time for a replacement.

This is easy to do, my Sky is running at 300Hp and gets 22 city / 34 highway ...
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:15 AM   #19
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Very interesting... My time for getting a 5th Gen lessens by the day
What, you don't like the idea of a Camaro that is lighter, has more HP, and better fuel economy all from a N/A V8?

The next V8 will be direct inject with VVT. The Camaro will have a bad ass V8, it may also have a FI engine too. Who knows, we'll have to wait and see but having more than one option isn't a bad thing to me.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:15 AM   #20
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Did they resolve the weight problem with the Alpha platform?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2011/05/...as-sigma-zeta/

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the Alpha platform has skewed far from its original purpose as a lightweight RWD chassis that was only meant for four-cylinder engines to become something more of a multi-role platform capable of cradling four, six and even eight cylinder powerplants, all wheel drive, and the ability to stretch to a full-sized length. Such upgrades put on extra weight for the platform, as well as make it more expensive to develop. Speculation is that as much as 500 pounds have been added to the platform, and that upcoming Alpha-based products such as the ATS could tip the scales at a porcine 4,000 pounds. To compare, a BMW 328i weighs in at 3,362 pounds.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:18 AM   #21
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That would be the worse thing that could happen IMO. Hopefully that isn't the case, still too earlier to know.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:20 AM   #22
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All the more reason for me to get a ZL1. If Corvette is going to a V6, I'm pretty sure the Camaro will get the same treatment.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:20 AM   #23
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The CAFE law provides for special treatment of vehicle fuel economy calculations for dedicated alternative fuel vehicles and dual-fuel vehicles. The fuel economy of a dedicated alternative fuel vehicle is determined by dividing its fuel economy in equivalent miles per gallon of gasoline or diesel fuel by 0.15. Thus a 15 mpg dedicated alternative fuel vehicle would be rated as 100 mpg. For dual-fuel vehicles (vehicles that can use the alternative fuel and gasoline or diesel interchangeably), the rating is the average of the fuel economy on gasoline or diesel and the fuel economy on the alternative fuel vehicle divided by .15. For example, this calculation procedure turns a dual fuel vehicle that averages 25 mpg on gasoline or diesel with the above 100 mpg alternative fuel to attain the 40 mpg value for CAFE purposes. Several limitations are established for CAFE credits for dual fuel vehicles. For MYs 1993-2004, the maximum CAFE increase attributable to dual fueled vehicles in a manufacturer’s passenger car or light truck fleet is 1.2 mpg.
To me, NASCAR has broken this ground pounding out 700 hp race cars fueled with E85. I think this may be the answer to CAFE restrictions.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:33 AM   #24
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Good guess. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...highlight=2015


And, I bet it comes out in early 2014. The mustang 50th is April 2014. The 2015 Camaro will be ready then as well.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:48 AM   #25
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Offer me a turbocharged *anything* from corporate GM and I'm all over it.

But,

Make it at least a six cylinder engine. Turbo Camaro, AKA "SSX", do I see another Buick GN car-like creature?

Absolutely.

Hint to Corvette: You're gonna need a turbo....and don't forget, the very first Corvette was in fact a six cylinder.

The playing field was tilted when GM put the 3.8L turbocharged intercooled engine in the lineup...if you can remember, it was the fastest US production car in those years (86-87) and yep, even quicker than the treasured 'Vette.

Do it again GM - c'mon, do it again.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:49 AM   #26
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Well, that's the pits. I think it's much too soon for this.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:58 AM   #27
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Did they resolve the weight problem with the Alpha platform?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2011/05/...as-sigma-zeta/
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:12 AM   #28
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Just like the 2009 Camaro that was supposed to arrive in 2008, add at least a year to this estimate. Looking foward to the next gen, but still working on getting my fifth gen. They would have to make it pretty awesome to out do what they've done with the fifth gen, and it will probably cost $40,000 or more for a v-8 by then.
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