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Old 07-26-2011, 09:58 AM   #1
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Post Report: 6th Gen Coming as 2015 Camaro

Automotive News reports that the 6th generation Camaro will be due in mid-late 2014 as a 2015 model.

The next gen Camaro will make a switch from its current Zeta platform to the smaller RWD Alpha platform which will also underpin the upcoming Cadillac ATS. With the platform switch, the next gen Camaro has been widely expected to be smaller and lighter.

Keep in mind however that timing is of course always subject to change, but this appears to be the plan for now.

The entire 2012-2014 Chevrolet product lineup according to Automotive News is below:
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Spark: Based on the Korean-market Daewoo Matiz hatchback, the Spark will arrive Stateside in mid-2012 as a 2013 model. The Spark is already on sale in Europe and South Africa. When it makes its way to the U.S., the five-door should pack a small — possibly displacing 1.2 or 1.4 liters — inline-four engine that could return up to 40 mpg on the highway. It will be built alongside its Daewoo progenitor in Korea and exported to our shores.

Sonic: The Sonic serves as a welcome replacement for the Aveo. Production begins this August, with both a four-door sedan and five-door hatchback on the ordering sheet. The Sonic is far more mature than the Aveo, and is predicted to record up to 87,000 sales annually. Engine choices are the same as in the larger Cruze sedan: a 1.8-liter inline with 138 hp and 125 lb-ft of torque, and a turbocharged 1.4-liter inline-four with 138 hp and 148 lb-ft. The sedan is expected to account for about 60 percent of Sonic sales; Chevrolet hopes the hatchback version will compete with the Honda Fit and Ford Fiesta.

Cruze: Chevrolet’s new compact sedan has quickly become a success. Saleslast month were up 153 percent versus the Cruze’s predecessor, the Cobalt, making the Cruze the second best-selling Chevy for June 2011. The next step will be the addition of a diesel model, confirmed to arrive here in 2013. The company won’t say what engine will be tapped for the Cruze. European versions of the Cruze can be equipped with a 2.0-liter inline-four turbodiesel, although a more efficient engine is in the offing. A mid-cycle refresh of the Cruze in 2014 could also herald the introduction of a hatchback model; a Cruze hatch is already on sale in Europe.

Volt: Although initial sales have been slow, Chevrolet still hopes to sell between 10,000 and 16,000 copies of its plug-in hybrid by the end of 2011. No changes are likely before 2014; for 2012, the Volt received a mild price drop and a few equipment changes. It also will be available in all 50 U.S. states by November, having initially been sold in just a few launch markets.

Malibu: A totally new sedan, the 2013 Malibu is slated to go on sale in mid-2012 and will be sold more than 100 countries on six continents. The main powertrain for our shores will be a 2.5-liter inline-four with 190 hp, mated to a six-speed automatic transmission. The combo is said to return up to 30 mpg. First, though, Chevrolet will launch the Malibu Eco, the first Chevy to use GM’s new eAssist hybrid technology. As seen on Buick models, eAssist will help the Malibu Eco return up to 38 mpg on the highway. The Eco debuts in early 2012.

Impala: The 2012 Impala gets a direct-injection 3.6-liter V-6 in place of its old 3.5- and 3.9-liter V-6s, as well as a minor grille restyle. Those tweaks will tide the sedan over until mid-2013, when the 2014 Impala will debut. The new car is to be built alongside the 2013 Malibu, as the Impala will ride on an elongated version of the Malibu’s Epsilon II platform. The 2014 Impala will be primarily front-wheel-drive, but all-wheel-drive and eAssist hybrid variants are also possibilities.

Corvette: It seems like every week we hear more rumors about the future of Chevy’s favorite sports car. While it’s unlikely the Corvette’s engine will move from the front to the middle of the car, many signs suggest the Corvette C7’straditional V-8 engine will be joined by a twin-turbocharged V-6. Sacrilege, we know, but necessary in the face of tighter CAFE regulations and gas prices. Until the new Corvette debuts in fall 2013 as a 2014 model, the current C6 will solider on mostly unchanged.

Camaro: The next version of the Camaro will debut in 2014. It will switch to the front-engine, rear-wheel-drive Alpha platform that underpins the future Cadillac ATS. First, though, the fire-breathing Camaro ZL1 will bow in early 2012 with at least 550 hp. And if movie merchandise is your thing, Chevy recently issued yet another Transformers-edition Camaro inspired by the action movies of the same name.

Equinox: Chevrolet’s small crossover will go unchanged until either 2013 or 2014, when a new generation is due. It could gain an eAssist hybrid option by 2014. With 149,949 sales in 2010, the Equinox was Chevy’s top-selling SUV/crossover, and the brand’s fourth best-selling vehicle overall.

Traverse: Like the Equinox, expect the Traverse to be redesigned by 2013 or 2014, with a major interior revamp in store for this crossover. A 3.0-liter V-6 engine will replace the current 3.6-liter unit when the new generation debuts around 2016 or so.

Tahoe and Suburban: Despite earlier rumors, these giant SUVs will continue to be built upon GM’s large-truck platform and will not switch to a crossover design. Fuel-economy might be improved by the addition of eight-speed automatic transmissions, and possibly an advanced four-mode hybrid system. The new SUVs will debut atop a new truck chassis by 2014.

Avalanche: This truck will almost certainly vanish after the 2013 model year. It was introduced back in model-year 2002 and sold mostly on the premise of its flexible midgate — the Avalanche could be configured as a pickup, an SUV, or some combination of both. Just 20,515 Avalanches were sold last year; we doubt it will be sorely missed.

Colorado: The compact Colorado truck will be killed off in mid-2012 when the Shreveport, Louisiana factory that builds it is closed. Will a successor follow? It’s unclear. Chevrolet unveiled the Colorado Show Truck back in March, but hinted the next-generation Colorado it previews was designed for places like Thailand, South American, and other emerging markets. However, rumors suggest that Chevy will sell the next-gentruck in the U.S. as early as 2013.

Silverado 1500: As for Chevrolet’s larger trucks, a number of enhancements will help make the Silverado more fuel-efficient and thus more competitive with the Ford F-150. We’ve heard GM hopes to shave at least 500 pounds per pickup truck by 2016, all while retaining the content and safety features mandated by buyers and NHTSA alike. We wouldn’t be surprised if the new trucks use more aluminum, magnesium, and other lithe alloys in order to achieve that metric. New powertrain designs will also help cut fuel use. GM’s next-generation V-8, which will feature direct fuel injection, E85 capability, and a reported “advanced combustion design” will likely be one staple. Other reports suggest other six-cylinder engines are under consideration, including a turbocharged variant. As with the Tahoe/Suburban, an eight-speed automatic transmission — perhaps the very one scheduled to be built in Toledo, Ohio — and an evolved version of GM’s 2-Mode hybrid are expected to be offered. Don’t expect these revisions to happen overnight, as GM executives have previously indicated the company won’t rush the line to market. As it stands, expect the next-gen Silverado to debut in late 2013 as a 2014 model.

Silverado 2500/3500: GM extensively reworked what’s beneath the skin of its heavy-duty pickups for the 2011 model year, so now it’s time for a cosmetic reboot to match. An overhaul is expected to arrive in either model year 2014 or 2015. We’re also told a successor to the popular Duramax 6.6-liter turbo-diesel V-8 should arrive around 2015 or so.
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Old 07-26-2011, 09:59 AM   #2
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and with CAFE standards of 37.5 mpg wonder whats going under the hood
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:06 AM   #3
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Going to the Alpha platform, interesting! I sure hope they keep the muscle in the Camaro and don't start making V6s the SS!
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:29 AM   #4
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and with CAFE standards of 37.5 mpg wonder whats going under the hood
Keep in mind that CAFE stands for Corporate Average Fuel Economy. Chevrolet has several models pulling the average up so there is plenty of room for some making a little less. 400+hp and 30+MPG is not real hard to do.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:32 AM   #5
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Kinda low-balling the Malibu 2.5L's FE there...
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:32 AM   #6
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Keep in mind that CAFE stands for Corporate Average Fuel Economy. Chevrolet has several models pulling the average up so there is plenty of room for some making a little less. 400+hp and 30+MPG is not real hard to do.
yes while thats true if they are going with a v6 twin turbo on the corvette what makes you think that they wont dont the same thing with the camaro
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:34 AM   #7
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I've been hearing things about a highly efficient 5.7, possibly F/I, but who knows...
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Here's hoping for a turbo ecotech 4 with at least 300hp in the base model. With the 50,000 miles a year I'm putting on the DD I'm figuring it will last 150,000-200,000 miles top. Should come just in time for a replacement.
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Very interesting... My time for getting a 5th Gen lessens by the day
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:44 AM   #10
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I'll probably be buying a new one to replace the current one, make the current one a DD and make the new one a weekend warrior....

And for anyone worrying about the loss of a V8.....would you really be complaining about a possible 450hp twin turbo V6? I wouldn't. I'd take it and drive the wheels off it...
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:55 AM   #11
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I'll probably be buying a new one to replace the current one, make the current one a DD and make the new one a weekend warrior....

And for anyone worrying about the loss of a V8.....would you really be complaining about a possible 450hp twin turbo V6? I wouldn't. I'd take it and drive the wheels off it...
yeah but then the v8, will be 550-600hp.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:56 AM   #12
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I'll probably be buying a new one to replace the current one, make the current one a DD and make the new one a weekend warrior....

And for anyone worrying about the loss of a V8.....would you really be complaining about a possible 450hp twin turbo V6? I wouldn't. I'd take it and drive the wheels off it...
There are Ford Fiestas with a a 2.0L pushing 600hp, even up to 800hp. However, I would argue that while a turbo can bring out massive power, it's not the same as natural power. I nearly traded in my 2010 SS for a 996 911 Turbo but didn't for a couple of reasons why I didn't. The main reason is that even though the car pushes out both over 400hp and torque, it felt weaker than the Camaro. Why? Because a V8 just has so much natural power that you can really feel it. This is why super cars, and companies like Mercedes, BMW, etc...use V8s and V10s for their massive power. Forced induction is used to bring make the power even more over the top, but it's the natural power that really gets you going.
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Keep in mind that CAFE stands for Corporate Average Fuel Economy. Chevrolet has several models pulling the average up so there is plenty of room for some making a little less. 400+hp and 30+MPG is not real hard to do.
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yes while thats true if they are going with a v6 twin turbo on the corvette what makes you think that they wont dont the same thing with the camaro
I haven't seen anything about a V6 TT but I have seen discussion of a smaller displacement naturally aspirated V8 and V8 TT. Either way, the number of cylinders an engine has doesn't matter as long as it performs. All that being said, regardless of what base models are equipped with I have no doubt that there will be a V8 available for the Corvette and Camaro for the foreseeable future.
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I believe Alpha platform will be smaller and lighter than the Zeta platform??
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Keep in mind that CAFE stands for Corporate Average Fuel Economy. Chevrolet has several models pulling the average up so there is plenty of room for some making a little less. 400+hp and 30+MPG is not real hard to do.
I was wondering if a 'total average' would be the case. Thank you for pointing that out.
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A 5.7 liter would be sick. And I have rode a 400 hp twin turbo 350z and it pulled crazy but the low end torque was no where near what my car has and that just made me a little sad. I hope that is not the case if gm goes to a V6
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Here's hoping for a turbo ecotech 4 with at least 300hp in the base model. With the 50,000 miles a year I'm putting on the DD I'm figuring it will last 150,000-200,000 miles top. Should come just in time for a replacement.

This is easy to do, my Sky is running at 300Hp and gets 22 city / 34 highway ...
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Very interesting... My time for getting a 5th Gen lessens by the day
What, you don't like the idea of a Camaro that is lighter, has more HP, and better fuel economy all from a N/A V8?

The next V8 will be direct inject with VVT. The Camaro will have a bad ass V8, it may also have a FI engine too. Who knows, we'll have to wait and see but having more than one option isn't a bad thing to me.
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Did they resolve the weight problem with the Alpha platform?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2011/05/...as-sigma-zeta/

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That would be the worse thing that could happen IMO. Hopefully that isn't the case, still too earlier to know.
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All the more reason for me to get a ZL1. If Corvette is going to a V6, I'm pretty sure the Camaro will get the same treatment.
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The CAFE law provides for special treatment of vehicle fuel economy calculations for dedicated alternative fuel vehicles and dual-fuel vehicles. The fuel economy of a dedicated alternative fuel vehicle is determined by dividing its fuel economy in equivalent miles per gallon of gasoline or diesel fuel by 0.15. Thus a 15 mpg dedicated alternative fuel vehicle would be rated as 100 mpg. For dual-fuel vehicles (vehicles that can use the alternative fuel and gasoline or diesel interchangeably), the rating is the average of the fuel economy on gasoline or diesel and the fuel economy on the alternative fuel vehicle divided by .15. For example, this calculation procedure turns a dual fuel vehicle that averages 25 mpg on gasoline or diesel with the above 100 mpg alternative fuel to attain the 40 mpg value for CAFE purposes. Several limitations are established for CAFE credits for dual fuel vehicles. For MYs 1993-2004, the maximum CAFE increase attributable to dual fueled vehicles in a manufacturer’s passenger car or light truck fleet is 1.2 mpg.
To me, NASCAR has broken this ground pounding out 700 hp race cars fueled with E85. I think this may be the answer to CAFE restrictions.
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Good guess. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...highlight=2015


And, I bet it comes out in early 2014. The mustang 50th is April 2014. The 2015 Camaro will be ready then as well.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:48 AM   #25
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Offer me a turbocharged *anything* from corporate GM and I'm all over it.

But,

Make it at least a six cylinder engine. Turbo Camaro, AKA "SSX", do I see another Buick GN car-like creature?

Absolutely.

Hint to Corvette: You're gonna need a turbo....and don't forget, the very first Corvette was in fact a six cylinder.

The playing field was tilted when GM put the 3.8L turbocharged intercooled engine in the lineup...if you can remember, it was the fastest US production car in those years (86-87) and yep, even quicker than the treasured 'Vette.

Do it again GM - c'mon, do it again.
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