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https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...n-s650-rumors/ In my mind, both Ford and GM have no 7th Gen plans on the horizon...putting them in the same "see how it goes" speculation, especially with an election coming next year (no to get too political, but a lot of the EPA and regs are policy and leadership based, as alluded to in your interview).
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06-28-2019, 03:00 PM | #114 |
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06-28-2019, 03:34 PM | #115 | |
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UPDATE--new GM Authority article on the future of the Camaro explains all
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06/...comment-831404
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06-28-2019, 09:36 PM | #116 |
Thank you Al Oppenheiser!
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That’s all fine and dandy but there isn’t enough lithium, cobalt and the other rare earth elements available on the planet to “electrify” the global automotive market in 2025.
The Chinese threatened to cut off supply of a few of these elements a couple weeks ago and the rest of the planet said “Oh $#!t”!! Liquid hydrocarbon fuels will still be required as an energy storage solution for at least another 25-30 years. Flexibility with energy storage will be the single most important strategy critical to the success of automotive manufacturers for the next two decades. |
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I agree. Whatever happens, it's just nice to see some inside sources telling us that GM remains committed to a mainstream sports coupe (whatever the power plant is).
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06-29-2019, 12:47 AM | #118 | |
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As for Camaro it still has a future under the C8 in the market and IC powered, maybe electric assist for likely another full generation. |
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06-29-2019, 03:12 PM | #119 |
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Seems like the waters have been muddied on the Camaro7 termination. I'd like to cut through the corporate buzzword BS like "delayed until further notice."
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Conclusion: If the Camaro6, like the Camaro5 before it, were outselling the Mustang then an Alpha-2 Camaro would still be in development.Other speculation:
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06-29-2019, 06:47 PM | #120 |
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from the article, it sounds like they think the camaro is likely to be the high performance electric offering on the BEV3 platform instead of VSS-R.
I'm all for that. Get the camaro alll electric before your competition. Just hope it's not too locked down with anti-right to repair nonsense. |
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06-29-2019, 09:55 PM | #122 |
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Hypothetically, would a 2 year absence while waiting for VSS-R be bad for Camaro? Possibly build some excitement (which seems to be lacking currently for the general public) for the new car in 2025 with new powertrain options including electric? Or is it better for them to keep building the car on Alpha until the new platform comes out? With Alpha 2 already being used, would they even consider producing anything on the Alpha platform that far out?
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06-30-2019, 10:22 AM | #123 | |
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That is, other than be taxed out the nose for an all new infrastructure to replace the perfectly serviceable existing one (be it just in my townhouse community or in the whole region/state/country - but probably all of the above, all at once!), which only makes getting a new electric performance car that much more difficult. Also, even for those who do have the infrastructure (or a garage where they can conveniently install a 240V charger - for added cost), going ALL electric costs sales to those for whom part of the charm of such a car is a snarling V8 under the hood. An electric OPTION is fine (being one of those old fashioned - even as a millennial - types, I wouldn't get one myself even if I had a garage, but I wouldn't deny others the nontraditional option of one), but this "all" stuff is a recipe for making something like the Camaro even less of a sales success. |
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06-30-2019, 12:26 PM | #124 | |
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Nevermind "all".... to get to just "half" the mined supply rate in kilograms per year of lithium would need to grow seven fold and that's with zero lithium used for phones, computers and other consumer electronics, or electric lawn equipment... And here's something to think about... if "all" cars were BEVs and 100% of all lithium was allocated only for use for cars, the entire planet's lithium reserves world could only sustain production for 14 years. So we can rest assured that there will still be plenty of liquid-hydrocarbon-powered Camaro's and other cars available as playtoys at least for the rest of our lives... and likely forever. |
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06-30-2019, 02:51 PM | #125 |
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So if you want to hear the story straight from the Author.
The Camaro Show interviewed Manny from Muscle Cars & Trucks. https://camaroshow.com/camaro-show-2...ure-of-camaro/ |
06-30-2019, 03:59 PM | #126 | |
Hail to the King baby!
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BMW just gave the diesel 20 years and the ICE 30. Solid state batteries are in the works and would invalidate your timeline as well. There are over 200 million ICE vehicles in the US alone. Replacing all of them, assuming we went 100% EVs tomorrow in new production it would be 20 years before they were all off the road. But that is not forever. If you are in your 20s you will see the end of ICEs as we know them.
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