[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

Frankly i think it's awesome that we have 3 different Manufacturers offering 11 second off the showroom floor cars all with a base price within $500-$1000 of each other.

Technically, 2 of them offer 11 sec cars. Even if the Evans run was legit (which I still question) that makes just ONE GT that has been in the 11s bone stock and surely isn't representative of all of them. Especially when several are on DRs and struggling to do low 12s...and snapping driveshafts in the process. To be fair I wouldn't consider the SS to be an 11 sec car either. Some have done it. But again there aren't enough examples to consider it the norm. It is a low 12. And I consider the 18 GT as of right now to be a mid 12.

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Wow. Well my owning a S550 GT and DDing it kinda trumps your driving your friend's. And I doubt you've owned 5 judging by the cars you have listed. But we all already know you're a troll anyway.



Wow. Another troll from M6G. For as pathetic as I am you guys sure do love starting up accounts and coming over just to argue. LOL!! I can troll your entire forum while not even being a member there. What's that tell you about you guys? HAHA!

And "Stained Sphincters"...that's a new one. Well it doesn't work because I don't have a SS so...

1966 gt fast back 289, 1988 lx notch ssp, 1993 cobra, 2004 mach 1, 2012 boss 302

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

4 valves doesn't mean anything if the air flow isn't there. 100% volumetric efficiency is the target with some high rpm Engines achieving slightly better due to a ram air effect. most engines are lucky to see 85% VE. i have no clue what the volumetric efficiency is for the 2018 Mustang or Camaro. all things being equal 377 cubic inches will make more torque and hp than 307 cubic inches. the bigger engine will always make more low end torque which is probably why GM chose a taller rear gear ratio for the Camaro. a prime example of this would be the 70 LS6 Chevelle getting a standard gear ratio of 3.31 where the DZ302 equipped Z28 got a 411. the Z28 didn't make any torque below 3000 rpm. Fords lower gear ratios in the Mustang make perfect sense and i highly doubt you'll call those ratios insane when the Camaro gets them next year.

Stock Coyote airflow
Known stock Coyote intake port head flow numbers are 289.4-cfm intake and 201.4-cfm exhaust at .500 inch,

Lt1 airflow
Lift---Intake (cfm)---Exhaust (cfm)
0.100
0.200 151 111
0.300 208 152
0.400 256 174
0.500 294 183
0.600 316 189

so it appears the Mustang might see better port velocity and of course higher rpm capability due to overhead cams where the Camaro has more airflow and bigger CI.

Funny you choose to respond to me and say nothing of all the fail in his posts

The Camaro will never get a 3.55 rear gear. And likely not even a 3.15. It is in fact insane gearing compared to the Camaro. But again you respond to me and leave your troll friend out of it? Cool man

Let’s see ford make 460 hp out of a 302 16 valve pushrod motor in today’s market. No way no how. The dohc 32 valve setup is an advantage just like the cubes in an lt1. Nut hugging one or the other to claim victory is equally ignorant

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

1966 gt fast back 289, 1988 lx notch ssp, 1993 cobra, 2004 mach 1, 2012 boss 302

Typical Rustang fan boys. Disappear when videos pop up of 6th gens stomping 18 GTs (los racing YouTube channel) and half shafts snapping.... But troll accounts start flooding the forums the second they have one semi decent result.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

1966 gt fast back 289, 1988 lx notch ssp, 1993 cobra, 2004 mach 1, 2012 boss 302

Is that you Titianfan/Ztwentypoop/tooslow/NVmyZL1...?

[HeaterMan]

half shafts as in more than one? are there more than the one that was in the video? asking because i wasn't aware there were others.

I don't own a Mustang or Camaro right now so i'm not "nut hugging" either one. but i think the smaller displacement engine making the same hp is impressive because it's NA and not forced induction. that doesn't mean GM could get more out of the LT1 naturally aspirated, just that they chose not to up to this point. one of the benefits to not having as much low end torque is less likelihood of blowing the tires off at the starting line. Camaro and Scat Pack guys are well aware how much of an issue this can be. a good 60' is what makes these "hero runs" as they are called possible. spinning aint winning.

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

half shafts as in more than one? are there more than the one that was in the video? asking because i wasn't aware there were others.

I don't own a Mustang or Camaro right now so i'm not "nut hugging" either one. but i think the smaller displacement engine making the same hp is impressive because it's NA and not forced induction. that doesn't mean GM could get more out of the LT1 naturally aspirated, just that they chose not to up to this point. one of the benefits to not having as much low end torque is less likelihood of blowing the tires off at the starting line. Camaro and Scat Pack guys are well aware how much of an issue this can be. a good 60' is what makes these "hero runs" as they are called possible. spinning aint winning.

Sigh. Are you really mentioning the displacement nonsense? Then of course I'll have to point out the physical size of the Coyote being larger and the fact its DOHC.

And yes there is only one video so far of shaft breaking. Keep in mind the cars have been out for about a month or so only and who knows what has happened in all the 1/4 runs that haven't been videotaped.

[13vertss]

Found this on his you tube comments about his 11.83 run.

roy richardson bumping front tire pressure to 45psi, lowering the rear tires, icing intake, shallow staging, disconnect front sway bar, removing absolutely everything that doesn’t need to be in the car i.e spare tire, gym bag, floor mats, pressure pump,etc. Evan knows what he’s doing and I’m a fan of his since 1992!

[2Bowties]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

Typical Rustang fan boys. Disappear when videos pop up of 6th gens stomping 18 GTs (los racing YouTube channel) and half shafts snapping.... But troll accounts start flooding the forums the second they have one semi decent result.

Los racing channel 18 gt walks the camaro from a dig which is real racing. Only nancys roll race but whatever lol

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

Sigh. Are you really mentioning the displacement nonsense? Then of course I'll have to point out the physical size of the Coyote being larger and the fact its DOHC.

And yes there is only one video so far of shaft breaking. Keep in mind the cars have been out for about a month or so only and who knows what has happened in all the 1/4 runs that haven't been videotaped.

well then why don't we wait to assume half shafts are an issue until there is evidence instead of assuming one broke so they will all break. as far as the weight and displacement argument I don't think it's nonsense. i posted the flow numbers for the Camaro heads and for the Mustang heads.. do you see a huge advantage in those numbers for the Mustang? i certainly don't. I think it's impressive that a car with more weight and less cubic inches is right there with the Camaro. once again I don't own either one...yet

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

Los racing channel 18 gt walks the camaro from a dig which is real racing. Only nancys roll race but whatever lol

It's clear you didn't watch them all.

And how about the fact GTs trap higher and have A10...hmm, seems like they should win "nancy" races too.

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Found this on his you tube comments about his 11.83 run.

roy richardson bumping front tire pressure to 45psi, lowering the rear tires, icing intake, shallow staging, disconnect front sway bar, removing absolutely everything that doesn’t need to be in the car i.e spare tire, gym bag, floor mats, pressure pump,etc. Evan knows what he’s doing and I’m a fan of his since 1992!

interesting, i had read the car was 100% untouched so if this is true it sure isn't untouched

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by HeaterMan

well then why don't we wait to assume half shafts are an issue until there is evidence instead of assuming one broke so they will all break. as far as the weight and displacement argument I don't think it's nonsense. i posted the flow numbers for the Camaro heads and for the Mustang heads.. do you see a huge advantage in those numbers for the Mustang? i certainly don't. I think it's impressive that a car with more weight and less cubic inches is right there with the Camaro. once again I don't own either one...yet

It's a reasonable assumption to make since it was an issue with the recent years and it's already happened with one of very few recorded runs thus far. Less cubes doesn't impress me since DOHC engines have been done better by other companies already in the past. Again, playing catch up now.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 2Bowties

1966 gt fast back 289, 1988 lx notch ssp, 1993 cobra, 2004 mach 1, 2012 boss 302

None of which are a S550.

I've owned a 91 LX, 94 GT, 95 GT, 01 GT, 03 GT, 15 GT...from off the top of my memory. I also owned a 95 Thunderbird, two 95 Mark VIIIs, an 04 F150, and a 2000 Navigator. I know more about Ford than the vast majority of you fanboys that come over here from M6G with the Chevys listed in your sigs that don't exist.

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

Found this on his you tube comments about his 11.83 run.

roy richardson bumping front tire pressure to 45psi, lowering the rear tires, icing intake, shallow staging, disconnect front sway bar, removing absolutely everything that doesn’t need to be in the car i.e spare tire, gym bag, floor mats, pressure pump,etc. Evan knows what he’s doing and I’m a fan of his since 1992!

Front sway bar...I EFFING called it, LOL!!n Oldest Mustang trick in the book. Whenever one does a time like that you better believe that sway bar came off.