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Originally Posted by Capricio

Yes, this tired talking point that technically zero tailpipe emissions suspense dates, EPA mileage standards of "divide by zero" miles/gallon, are not "EV mandates". Most of us see the abolishment of ICE as the same thing.

That does not exist outside of California and its sovereign provinces. The EPA and NHTSA standards regulate fuel economy and emissions. The issue is, the upcoming standards will require automakers to decide whether they want to invest development and piece cost dollars into adding equipment to cars to achieve the standards. Understand that none of the equipment they add is priceable, so their cost to produce the cars will increase, but they won’t be able to recover that directly from car buyers.

To meet the upcoming standards, automakers will need to add Gas Particulate Filters, either high pressure direct injection or dual port + DI injection, probably some advanced form of EGR, and several other technologies. These are things they know how to do, and that’s why EPA and NHTSA have no problem pushing for the new standards. But they are costly and the OEMs know that they cannot price for them. So many of them have decided to only maintain the engine families they can continue with minimal investment and use EV volume to balance the rest of the fleet. As an example, GM’s engine offerings have been pretty much dialed back to just the Small Block V8 and CCS 2.7L for trucks and the CCS 1.5L, 2.0L and 2.5L engines for everything else. Because engines like the HFV6 require too much investment to clean up to meet the new standards.