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Michael2000 05-11-2013 11:18 PM

Things I hope GM improves on the Gen 6 Camaro
 
There a few things on the Camaro I would like to see improved for the sixth generation.

1) Move the darn Tach and Speedo down two inches so we can see them, and not have them blocked by the steering wheel. I can't believe this got put into production this way.

2) Put calibration on the temp gauge - C and H just don't cut it.

3) Move the other four 2LT gauges up where they can be seen.

4) Increase the size of the tach on the HUD so it's useful, and put more graduations in it than 250 rpm. Have an expanded high RPM scale option for performance use.

5) Make lumbar support standard equipment. I would consider this in the same class of adjustments as recline. Everyone's back is different, and has different curvature. Even pickups have this now.

6) Have the Driver Information Center dim with the rest of the guages.

7) Have independent user adjustable day and night brightness for the HUD, and make sure it dims down more at night. It's too bright for dark roads. I end up having to turn it off at night.

8) Improve the trip computer (similar to what Ford did with the Mustang), where you have fuel economy, gallons used, time, distance, average speed.

9) Driver Information Center should have digital readouts for all the analog guages, such as volts, trans temp, oil pressure, oil temperature, and coolant temperature. In fact, there is probably room to put all of them on one screen. I don't see the point in cycling through, just to see one value at a time.

10) Backup camera should have guide lines. It should also have better low light performance (I've seen a lot better).

11) Mode to turn off radio display on HUD. I don't need to see this when I am trying to watch the tachometer for shifting.

12) Design a clutch that doesn't have effort DROP as it nears the floor. This drives me crazy.

13) Put some more body structure in the car, to get rid of the shake on some freeways and roads.

14) HID or LED headlights standard, ala Mustang.

15) Shoot for a 50/50 weight distribution.

16) Have the HVAC buttons show English words on the MyLink display rather than just the same unintelligible icons.

17) Cut the road noise, so the Bluetooth actually works. Add noise cancellation.

18) Put covers over the visor mirrors to cut distractions when driving.

19) On the radio, move the Source button further away from the volume control. It's too easy to accidentely change sources.

20) Have a blacked out interior option that removes all glaring silver and chrome pieces.

21) Defeatable Hill Start Assist - defeat through menus so it is permanently off. This is driving everyone crazy.

22) LT1 Direct Injected Engine.

23) 7 Speed Manaul.

Most of this would cost GM very little money, and some would have no production cost at all (just some software updates). The Camaro is a great car, but it is rough around the edges in some areas. Add your own suggestions below.

Michael

AmericanMuscleCars 05-11-2013 11:32 PM

21: Add splash guards front standard and optional rear from the dealer! Color matched too!

azw131 05-11-2013 11:34 PM

Cup holders should be set back or moved to a different location so you can shift and have a drink in the holder

Stevew 05-11-2013 11:49 PM

I could live without any of the changes mentioned, but would love two more inches of head room.

SUKXOST 05-11-2013 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by azw131 (Post 6533471)
Cup holders should be set back or moved to a different location so you can shift and have a drink in the holder

-Not a bad cup holder position, they just need lowered quite a bit
-Middle arm rest need to be forward more so you can actually use it.....hurts my dam elbow on the plastic
-Bluetooth should be able to play videos on the MyLink screen
-should be able to customize start-up and background screens
-slightly lower stock ride height
-250-300lb weight reduction
-slightly improve drivers visibility
-slightly larger trunk opening
-direct injection
-high output V6 turbo option
-interior textures- nix the pathetic plastic
-touch dual climate controls

AmericanMuscleCars 05-12-2013 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST (Post 6533528)
-Not a bad cup holder position, they just need lowered quite a bit
-Middle arm rest need to be forward more so you can actually use it.....hurts my dam elbow on the plastic
-Bluetooth should be able to play videos on the MyLink screen
-should be able to customize start-up and background screens
-slightly lower stock ride height
-250-300lb weight reduction
-slightly improve drivers visibility
-slightly larger trunk opening
-direct injection
-high output V6 turbo option
-interior textures- nix the pathetic plastic
-touch dual climate controls

That's a lot of weight especially when asking for better grade plastic and my caddy has touch climate... All I have to say is NO THANK YOU LOL hate it, it's always a bunch of guess work for some reason.

SUKXOST 05-12-2013 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleCars (Post 6533554)
That's a lot of weight especially when asking for better grade plastic and my caddy has touch climate... All I have to say is NO THANK YOU LOL hate it, it's always a bunch of guess work for some reason.

You own a Camaro AND a Caddy, you are hereby NOT allowed to complain. LOL

250-300lbs is not a lot IMO, not for a ~3,900lb car

MikeT 05-12-2013 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST (Post 6533528)
slightly improve drivers visibility

Ditto. Minus the "slightly" part.

partymn 05-12-2013 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stevew (Post 6533519)
I could live without any of the changes mentioned, but would love two more inches of head room.

I don't understand why everyone complains about head room. My coworker is 6 foot 7 and drives a 2LT, he has plenty of room above his head. Do the seats in the lower models not adjust up and down?

SUKXOST 05-12-2013 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stevew (Post 6533519)
I could live without any of the changes mentioned, but would love two more inches of head room.

That's what SHE said.

:fear:

KMPrenger 05-12-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael2000 (Post 6533426)
There a few things on the Camaro I would like to see improved for the sixth generation.

1) Move the darn Tach and Speedo down two inches so we can see them, and not have them blocked by the steering wheel. I can't believe this got put into production this way.

2) Put calibration on the temp gauge - C and H just don't cut it.

3) Move the other four 2LT gauges up where they can be seen.

4) Increase the size of the tach on the HUD so it's useful, and put more graduations in it than 250 rpm. Have an expanded high RPM scale option for performance use.

5) Make lumbar support standard equipment. I would consider this in the same class of adjustments as recline. Everyone's back is different, and has different curvature. Even pickups have this now.

6) Have the Driver Information Center dim with the rest of the guages.

7) Have independent user adjustable day and night brightness for the HUD, and make sure it dims down more at night. It's too bright for dark roads. I end up having to turn it off at night.

8) Improve the trip computer (similar to what Ford did with the Mustang), where you have fuel economy, gallons used, time, distance, average speed.

9) Driver Information Center should have digital readouts for all the analog guages, such as volts, trans temp, oil pressure, oil temperature, and coolant temperature. In fact, there is probably room to put all of them on one screen. I don't see the point in cycling through, just to see one value at a time.

10) Backup camera should have guide lines. It should also have better low light performance (I've seen a lot better).

11) Mode to turn off radio display on HUD. I don't need to see this when I am trying to watch the tachometer for shifting.

12) Design a clutch that doesn't have effort DROP as it nears the floor. This drives me crazy.

13) Put some more body structure in the car, to get rid of the shake on some freeways and roads.

14) HID or LED headlights standard, ala Mustang.

15) Shoot for a 50/50 weight distribution.

16) Have the HVAC buttons show English words on the MyLink display rather than just the same unintelligible icons.

17) Cut the road noise, so the Bluetooth actually works. Add noise cancellation.

18) Put covers over the visor mirrors to cut distractions when driving.

19) On the radio, move the Source button further away from the volume control. It's too easy to accidentely change sources.

20) Have a blacked out interior option that removes all glaring silver and chrome pieces.

Most of this would cost GM very little money, and some would have no production cost at all (just some software updates). The Camaro is a great car, but it is rough around the edges in some areas. Add your own suggestions below.

Michael

Just curious, but are those really your top things?

If so, sounds to me like you want a car with a better feature to performance ratio, so to speak. In which case, maybe you want something more luxurious?

Yeah, I'd like to see more features too, such as more information in the DIC, and a better more colorful screen.

But at the top of my list are performance oriented things, like less weight. Hopefully moving to Alpha will shed the 300 or so lbs we are all hoping for.

Also I'd look to ask for a few more HP/TQ from both the V6 and V8, although if the weight is lost, gaining power isn't such a big issue.

Get us a seven or eight speed auto for better mpg, and better performance. Make the transmission "smart" and give it regular mode, sport and manual like we currently have. I'd have to lose the manual mode. By smart, I mean, maybe have it do things like lock out 6 - 8th gears when in sport mode or something like that. Not sure if that is a good idea or not, but just my .02.

Keep the modern muscle car theme going. Keep the wide rear shoulders. Above ALL else the new design has to be a homerun like the 5th gen is.

FINALLYSATISFIED 05-12-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by partymn (Post 6535203)
I don't understand why everyone complains about head room. My coworker is 6 foot 7 and drives a 2LT, he has plenty of room above his head. Do the seats in the lower models not adjust up and down?

I'm 6'2 with the seats as low as they can go with a Sunroof and I can't even wear hats because they hit the top. So your friend whom is 6'7 has hit his head a few times he's just not telling you unless all his height is his legs and not waist high.

ORANGE CRUSSH 05-12-2013 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partymn (Post 6535203)
I don't understand why everyone complains about head room. My coworker is 6 foot 7 and drives a 2LT, he has plenty of room above his head. Do the seats in the lower models not adjust up and down?

I call BS on this! I love my Camaro, but I am 6 feet 2 inches and don't have more than 2" maybe above my head. I guess I can have a lot more head room if I completely recline the seat..........just sayin

Michael2000 05-13-2013 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 6535613)
Just curious, but are those really your top things?

If so, sounds to me like you want a car with a better feature to performance ratio, so to speak. In which case, maybe you want something more luxurious?

Yeah, I'd like to see more features too, such as more information in the DIC, and a better more colorful screen.

But at the top of my list are performance oriented things, like less weight. Hopefully moving to Alpha will shed the 300 or so lbs we are all hoping for.

Also I'd look to ask for a few more HP/TQ from both the V6 and V8, although if the weight is lost, gaining power isn't such a big issue.

Get us a seven or eight speed auto for better mpg, and better performance. Make the transmission "smart" and give it regular mode, sport and manual like we currently have. I'd have to lose the manual mode. By smart, I mean, maybe have it do things like lock out 6 - 8th gears when in sport mode or something like that. Not sure if that is a good idea or not, but just my .02.

Keep the modern muscle car theme going. Keep the wide rear shoulders. Above ALL else the new design has to be a homerun like the 5th gen is.

Good points! I've heard that the 6th Gen Camaro will be built on the ATS chassis, so I assume it will be lighter. I was mainly focused on the details that the Camaro team missed that should be fixed, and other features that would make the car more up to date.

Michael

Stevew 05-16-2013 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by partymn (Post 6535203)
I don't understand why everyone complains about head room. My coworker is 6 foot 7 and drives a 2LT, he has plenty of room above his head. Do the seats in the lower models not adjust up and down?

I don't know. The only Camaro I have ever driven is mine. It's a 2012 2SS RS. It has a sun roof but I don't think that takes away from the head room. I am 6' 2".

Nessal 05-19-2013 06:36 PM

Wet weight of 3400-3500. But I'm not holding my breath.

meissen 05-19-2013 08:04 PM

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Since it's all opinions, figured I'd give mine on the suggestions given so far... My responses are in red in the quotes



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Originally Posted by Michael2000 (Post 6533426)
There a few things on the Camaro I would like to see improved for the sixth generation.

1) Move the darn Tach and Speedo down two inches so we can see them, and not have them blocked by the steering wheel. I can't believe this got put into production this way. Or you could just move your steering wheel up a little bit. I have no issues with the tach and speedo, though admittedly I leave the DIC on speed so I only look in the center for speed. Mine is a 1LS (manual) so I do look at the tach and I don't have issues.

2) Put calibration on the temp gauge - C and H just don't cut it. I can honestly say that's never even crossed my mind in the 1.5 years I've owned mine.

3) Move the other four 2LT gauges up where they can be seen. While I would think the 6th gen will have the gauges moved up anyway, you DO realize that they're located where they are for nostalgic reasons, right? Since the 5th gen was a modern interpretation of the '69 Camaro, the 4 pack gauges are in the center console for a reason... Since the 6th gen probably isn't going to be made as another modern retro of the 1st gen, I doubt the gauges would stay where they are.

6) Have the Driver Information Center dim with the rest of the guages. I'm positive that mine does...

7) Have independent user adjustable day and night brightness for the HUD, and make sure it dims down more at night. It's too bright for dark roads. I end up having to turn it off at night. Not being familiar with HUD, can't you dim it by turning the knob for the gauge cluster brightness? Sounds like it'd add a bunch of complexity with separate controls, electronics for it, etc...

8) Improve the trip computer (similar to what Ford did with the Mustang), where you have fuel economy, gallons used, time, distance, average speed. We already have average speed, a trip meter for distance, and average fuel economy. I guess having a running total of gallons used would be nice, but is it really a big deal?

9) Driver Information Center should have digital readouts for all the analog guages, such as volts, trans temp, oil pressure, oil temperature, and coolant temperature. In fact, there is probably room to put all of them on one screen. I don't see the point in cycling through, just to see one value at a time. Since I'm a tech nerd, I love this idea. I really love the AeroForce (I think?) Interceptor gauges because of its ability to read all the sensors.

10) Backup camera should have guide lines. It should also have better low light performance (I've seen a lot better). Would be nice, and should be easy to implement since it's readily available on other Chevrolet models.

13) Put some more body structure in the car, to get rid of the shake on some freeways and roads. I thought the 5th gen is pretty firm, that just sounds like added weight and cost.

14) HID or LED headlights standard, ala Mustang. Sure would be nice, but added cost built in standard then...

17) Cut the road noise, so the Bluetooth actually works. Add noise cancellation. Haven't had any issues with my bluetooth and I use it all the time.

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Originally Posted by AmericanMuscleCars (Post 6533466)
21: Add splash guards front standard and optional rear from the dealer! Color matched too! YUCK, no thanks... a sports car should't come with mud flaps!

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Originally Posted by azw131 (Post 6533471)
Cup holders should be set back or moved to a different location so you can shift and have a drink in the holder
I really agree with this - I've been driving a Corvette for the past few days and they have the cup holders located perfect compared to the shifter.

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST (Post 6533528)
-should be able to customize start-up and background screens lol really? Why?
-slightly lower stock ride height Seriously? Look at the pic at the bottom of this post -- stock ride height 5th gen compared to my 1994 Camaro with 1.5" drop springs and the 5th gen still looks more "slammed" than the 94 Camaro does...

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SUKXOST 05-19-2013 08:13 PM

1994 was 19 yrs ago man. I'm not comparing those clunkers to today's modern cars. Cars can be lower now and still maintain a decent ride and improve overall performance with a lower COG. no one likes a 3-4" wheel gap. As far as customizing the background and or start up screen..... Why NOT? Personalize it To say something about you or your car. It's another way to modify and make your own. It's silly you said......lol really? Why? You kidding me?

Gibroni 05-19-2013 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST (Post 6533907)
You own a Camaro AND a Caddy, you are hereby NOT allowed to complain. LOL

250-300lbs is not a lot IMO, not for a ~3,900lb car

Put your GF on a diet, there' your 300# weight savings!:thumbup:

JimE 05-19-2013 10:58 PM

2) temp gauge - I agree, but it's not needed. Like most gauges, if they aren't in the "normal" range, something is wrong, regardless of whether you get a useable reading. All of the other gauges are numbered, then you get C & H. Should be consistent...unless they are trying to match the E & F.

7) the HUD already has it's own brightness control. I don't see your point here.

13) structure isn't the issue. riding differently on different roads is a tire issue.

14) HID's - as noted above, additional cost that many people don't want.

15) bluetooth - road noise doesn't affect bluetooth. Bluetooth is a data connection, outside noise, including road noise has no effect.

And yes, the center console needs some work. The cup holders could be moved. The safety brake cold be lowered. The Vette is a great example. Funny how they can get it right in one car, and totally miss the mark with another car.

SUKXOST 05-20-2013 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gibroni (Post 6564485)
Put your GF on a diet, there' your 300# weight savings!:thumbup:

HA my wife is a 4'11" / 115 toned lbs of gymnastics coach that is 8 years my junior ;)

The Stig 05-20-2013 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST (Post 6565221)
HA my wife is a 4'11" / 115 toned lbs of gymnastics coach that is 8 years my junior ;)

Lucky man.

meissen 05-20-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SUKXOST (Post 6564179)
1994 was 19 yrs ago man. I'm not comparing those clunkers to today's modern cars. Cars can be lower now and still maintain a decent ride and improve overall performance with a lower COG. no one likes a 3-4" wheel gap. As far as customizing the background and or start up screen..... Why NOT? Personalize it To say something about you or your car. It's another way to modify and make your own. It's silly you said......lol really? Why? You kidding me?

Compared to those clunkers, though, the 5th gens have a much improved wheel gap. My 2012 Camaro is stock height, yet there's barely any gap. You'll never get a vehicle from the factory that wouldn't benefit from lowering springs. But compared to cars of "yester year" I'd say our 5th gens have a decent stance from the factory and doesn't look like a 4x4 like my 1994 Camaro did when stock.

The reason why I said why to the personalized startup screen is that it's just one more complexity that 99% of the people buying the cars wouldn't use or appreciate. And it's added cost, even if it's just a software update, there's more to it than just flicking a switch and allowing it to happen. Now you're talking about having a predefined folder which stores the startup and shutdown screens, access controls around those folders so it doesn't open the infotainment system up to an attack, excessive testing to make sure a user-defined startup or shutdown screen doesn't cause the system to crash, etc. As an example, I heard through an IT buddy that he was testing an infotainment system that let you put a name into some sort of input. If you used too many characters not only did it crash the infotainment system but it permently corrupted the hardware to the point that the system was bricked.

Rock on 05-20-2013 07:33 AM

Seat belts need improved I am always unsnapping it so I half to reach behind me to find it

Bpw72 05-20-2013 07:44 AM

I use Bluetooth with top down going 70mph without any issues. Maybe there's something wrong with yours.


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