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DanSS24 02-20-2014 02:59 AM

Gen6 Z/28
 
Do you think it'll happen? By that time, I be able to get one according to GF. Or maybe last year of the Gen5. :)

Bhobbs 02-20-2014 09:58 AM

I don't think we will see a Z/28 in the 6th gen.

Juiced1 02-20-2014 10:04 AM

I would think like the path of the C7. You'll get an SS, then maybe the ZL1 and then maybe the Z28 down the road. They wont just come out guns a blazing with all their new toys. They have to trickle them out to keep us drooling over what's next.

macalot 02-20-2014 10:08 AM

With the limited run of the 5th Gen Z/28 I'll bet you do in fact see a 2016 Z/28. It just won't be over the top like this generations Z/28, which is probably a good thing.

grocerygetter 02-20-2014 10:42 AM

I think the SS nomenclature is done and allocated for the SS sedan. So, I honestly wonder if we see a Camaro v6 or "RS" then maybe the SS becomes a Z28 again.

AZCamaroFan 02-20-2014 11:26 AM

Z/28 and ZL1 will probably be one car in Gen6.

thespymaster 02-20-2014 11:48 AM

I'm thinking the 5Oth Anniversary edition will be a Z28 ! Minus the " / "

Q'smuscle 02-20-2014 12:04 PM

There will be just to makeup for not giving a 5th Gen Z/28 to everybody!

Skylane765 02-20-2014 01:36 PM

Yes there will be gen 6 Z28 and ZL1 but may not for the first few years.

Msmall143 02-20-2014 08:27 PM

Lol....another gf dictating what you drive....have fun with that!

Mr. Wyndham 02-21-2014 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DanSS24 (Post 7435613)
Do you think it'll happen? By that time, I be able to get one according to GF. Or maybe last year of the Gen5. :)

Way to far off to tell. I'd bet money that it won't be released in the first two model years of the 6th-gen at least.

Will there be a track-dedicated 6th-gen Camaro? I think it's reasonable to assume yes. This Camaro Team is very attuned to what Camaro can and cannot do. What it can do: is beat the crap out of other cars in its price range on a road course. But what will it be called? What engine will it have? How will it perform? :iono:

We'll have to wait and see.

Col. Brain 02-21-2014 12:32 PM

slash or no slash but the Z28 will either be the 1LE (a handling package on the SS) or the ZL1

If they can bring themselves to make the new Z28 with a supercharger it will replace the ZL1 and the ZL1 goes away

el ess A 02-21-2014 01:02 PM

I think the ZL1 was a "hold that thought" with the bankruptcy and then subsequently someone saying "WTF were we thinking by going to name a supercharged car Z/28?" and then correcting the almost mistake.

It appears from the spy shots and Z28 molded script in some of the ZL1-specific parts means to me that if it weren't for the bankruptcy pause, the current ZL1 would be the Z/28. But I think they got the naming thing correct now.

So in my speculation, the ZL1 probably will go away. They made them pretty much flow-through after 2012 and while it was a hot commodity when new, now they're stalling in sales. They already curtailed production over the last couple of months and I don't know of anyone selling them at MSRP anymore.

detamble13 02-21-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by macalot (Post 7436111)
With the limited run of the 5th Gen Z/28 I'll bet you do in fact see a 2016 Z/28. It just won't be over the top like this generations Z/28, which is probably a good thing.

I agree with this 100%. It won't be over the top and we're more likely to see a Z28 in the 6th Gen than a Z/28... IMO

Wizard1183 02-21-2014 04:38 PM

Yep it'll be there. Count on it! Will it beat out a 2014? Not by any means. It'll be watered down for more consumers. Likely in the price of $55-65k. I don't see a 2nd ZL-1 coming out.

OldScoolCamaro 02-22-2014 12:32 AM

Gen6 Z/28 no doubt. It will be merged with the ZL1, like the C7 Vette Z06 has merged with the ZR1. MSRP. Who knows. The LT4 is the only top of the food chain propulsion plant. Maybe they will offer different supercharger variants. But the internal motor itself will remain unchanged. Once it's certified, it's written in stone.

2cnd chance 02-23-2014 01:48 PM

I believe they will offer both the ZL1 & Z/28. I also believe that Ford will offer both a GT350 & Boss.

Mr. Wyndham 02-23-2014 06:25 PM

One thing you can be assured of ... and don't be disappointed ... it will not be released in the first model year. Current-gen ZL1 was not...C7 Z06 was not...it's just not good tactics to put all your cards on the table in the first round of betting...

PYROLYSIS 02-23-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance (Post 7444140)
I believe they will offer both the ZL1 & Z/28. I also believe that Ford will offer both a GT350 & Boss.

I agree but I think the Z/28 will lose the slash, stay naturally aspirated (302cu LT5?) and be placed just above the entry level V8. I think it will take the ZL1s place as the somewhat affordable supercar and outperform the current ZL1 due in large part to the improved platform. I think the 1LE returns to continue as a great track package and I see the ZL1 sitting this one out. I think anything over and above a sixth gen Z28 requires a successful first few years of the sixth gen, much how the fifth gen evolved. If that car comes to fruition I see them using a new name to keep things fresh.

2cnd chance 02-23-2014 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS (Post 7445121)
I agree but I think the Z/28 will lose the slash, stay naturally aspirated (302cu LT5?) and be placed just above the entry level V8. I think it will take the ZL1s place as the somewhat affordable supercar and outperform the current ZL1 due in large part to the improved platform. I think the 1LE returns to continue as a great track package and I see the ZL1 sitting this one out. I think anything over and above a sixth gen Z28 requires a successful first few years of the sixth gen, much how the fifth gen evolved. If that car comes to fruition I see them using a new name to keep things fresh.

They won't mess with their success.

OldScoolCamaro 02-24-2014 12:34 AM

ZR1 is gone...so should be the ZL1 going forward. It's a shrinking market due to technology advances, Corporate downsizing and MSRP's

Wizard1183 02-24-2014 12:17 PM

This is whats expected: if an improved LS7 is coming, then def. a 6th gen Z/28 will be out.

Powertrain


The 2015 Camaro is expected to offer the following engine choices:
  • 2.0 liter turbocharged I4 LTG
  • 3.6 liter naturally aspirated V6 LFX
  • New 3.6 liter twin turbo V6 LF3
  • (SS) New 6.2 liter naturally aspirated V8 Small Block LT1
  • (Z/28?) New 7.0 liter naturally aspirated V8 Small Block (LS7 successor)
  • (ZL-1?) New supercharged V8 Small Block
Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevr...#ixzz2uGTUbRrW


http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevr...o/2015-camaro/

Bhobbs 02-24-2014 12:23 PM

No LT 7.0 liter. They tried it for the Z06 and it would have made less power than the LS7 due to emissions. Hence the supercharged 6.2 LT4 under its hood.

Wizard1183 02-24-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 7446853)
No LT 7.0 liter. They tried it for the Z06 and it would have made less power than the LS7 due to emissions. Hence the supercharged 6.2 LT4 under its hood.

Then Id imagine a smaller supercharged 6.2L would be the engine used on a Z/28 and eliminate the ZL-1 from the camaro line-up?

Bhobbs 02-24-2014 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizard1183 (Post 7447068)
Then Id imagine a smaller supercharged 6.2L would be the engine used on a Z/28 and eliminate the ZL-1 from the camaro line-up?

The LT4 in the Z06 uses a 1.7 liter blower. That's even smaller than the LSA's 1.9 liter blower and far smaller than the LS9's 2.3 liter.

If an LT4 derivative ends up in a Camaro, they might change the pulleys to drop the boost or leave it producing the same power.

I don't see Team Camaro doing a blown Z/28. That's why I think the ZL1 will stay.

Wizard1183 02-24-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 7447187)
The LT4 in the Z06 uses a 1.7 liter blower. That's even smaller than the LSA's 1.9 liter blower and far smaller than the LS9's 2.3 liter.

If an LT4 derivative ends up in a Camaro, they might change the pulleys to drop the boost or leave it producing the same power.

I don't see Team Camaro doing a blown Z/28. That's why I think the ZL1 will stay.

True. Though I rather see them produce another Z/28 than a ZL-1. The Zl-1 was basically a straightline car with track capabilities. Oh how I wish theyd produce a N/A high out-put engine above an SS with a little weight reduction and not so many exotic out of priced parts. :D Wishful thinking I know. Seems S/C or turbos are the future...

OldScoolCamaro 02-28-2014 01:14 AM

...whatever...follow the Vette, see how the Camaro will follow the same suit going foward. Hand in glove they are. The Vette is merging models, so shall the Camaro. Shrinking is the keyword going forward. Technology. Expense. Survivability. Streamlining. Then in a not too distant future, a limitation...because such things as we know now will be become too exhorbitant.

Bhobbs 02-28-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wizard1183 (Post 7447456)
True. Though I rather see them produce another Z/28 than a ZL-1. The Zl-1 was basically a straightline car with track capabilities. Oh how I wish theyd produce a N/A high out-put engine above an SS with a little weight reduction and not so many exotic out of priced parts. :D Wishful thinking I know. Seems S/C or turbos are the future...

It would be cool if they brought back the 5.7 liter. High compression, CNC ported heads and no AFM.

mr02Z/28 02-28-2014 03:52 PM

LoL ..... I wouldn't call a MSRP price range in the $55,000 - $60,000 "watered down" ....


I would love to see, like a stated in the past, a 6th Gen Camaro somewhere in the 3,300lb range with a 4 banger Turbo with about 320-340hp ....

Blueclyde 02-28-2014 09:02 PM

DI will be way of the future. DI forced induction on high perf models. Seems an FI Z06 opens the door for an FI Z/28 or Z28 in 6th Gen F body.

OldScoolCamaro 03-01-2014 12:42 AM

DI is the way of the future? No, it's here now. That's what the new Vette has got..the Gen 5 motor. The LT1. The LT4 will be a S/C variant of it, coming to your local Chevy dealership in the Z06 another production year later. This technology has been around European models before it has transfered to the US.

Blueclyde 03-01-2014 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro (Post 7460028)
DI is the way of the future? No, it's here now. That's what the new Vette has got..the Gen 5 motor. The LT1. The LT4 will be a S/C variant of it, coming to your local Chevy dealership in the Z06 another production year later. This technology has been around European models before it has transfered to the US.

The context of the comment was Gen 6 Camaro. You are correct it is here now for many current production passenger vehicles and it has been around for a few years.

OldScoolCamaro 03-01-2014 10:04 PM

Agreed, but my retort was to the post made like it was some new technology just showing up here now. The 2016 Camaro will no doubt carry the LT1 DI motor as what is in the new Vette. That's the base 8 cylinder motor going forward. No upgrades, no mods, no changes. The LT4 is the only upgrade we know of, with 1.6 liter Eaton supercharger for the Z06 Vette. The future stops there as we know it, will there be other things in the works? Probably...but the info is slow coming out. And for good reason. Chevy is playing it close to the vest...

KMPrenger 03-02-2014 06:54 PM

DI is definitely not the future...but the now.

The V6 Camaro has had it all along, and part of the reason why we can achieve over 350+HP and still good gas mileage from a mid displacement V6. The V6 with FI see's huge power gains with only a relatively small amount of boost and I predicted the LT1 V8 would see similar huge gains. There have been some boosted LT1s done by now, and they are seeing bigger power than the LS3 on the same boost.

OldScoolCamaro 03-03-2014 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 7464028)
DI is definitely not the future...but the now.

The V6 Camaro has had it all along, and part of the reason why we can achieve over 350+HP and still good gas mileage from a mid displacement V6. The V6 with FI see's huge power gains with only a relatively small amount of boost and I predicted the LT1 V8 would see similar huge gains. There have been some boosted LT1s done by now, and they are seeing bigger power than the LS3 on the same boost.

....no, DI is direct injection, the V6 Camaro has not had it all along. May I respectfully suggest that you do some research on what DI is, and how it affects the engine where power gains can be made over non DI engines. It's quite an uncanny technology!

meissen 03-03-2014 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro (Post 7464779)
....no, DI is direct injection, the V6 Camaro has not had it all along. May I respectfully suggest that you do some research on what DI is, and how it affects the engine where power gains can be made over non DI engines. It's quite an uncanny technology!

The v6 in the Camaro has been direct injection since 2010 when the 5th gen debuted which is what he was referring to. The LLT (2010-2011) and LFX (2012+) v6 engine is direct injection and - in addition to appearing in the 5th gen Camaro - is used on other vehicles in GM's lineup as well. The v8 is the last of GM's engine families to get direct injection. Anyone familiar with the v6 5th gen Camaros are quite familiar with direct injection, their power gains, and their qwerks (read: oil catch cans).

OldScoolCamaro 03-04-2014 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meissen (Post 7465007)
The v6 in the Camaro has been direct injection since 2010 when the 5th gen debuted which is what he was referring to. The LLT (2010-2011) and LFX (2012+) v6 engine is direct injection and - in addition to appearing in the 5th gen Camaro - is used on other vehicles in GM's lineup as well. The v8 is the last of GM's engine families to get direct injection. Anyone familiar with the v6 5th gen Camaros are quite familiar with direct injection, their power gains, and their qwerks (read: oil catch cans).

:doh:....never let the facts get in the way of a good post I say....LOL :rolleyes:. Total brain fart, from, well, an older fart here. In defense of my stupidity I was and have always been an 8 cylinder guy,...and left the knowledge of what I read about the 6 DI VVT way behind me. Thanks for correcting my error, and being nice about it...:biggrin:

toehead93 03-05-2014 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 7444801)
One thing you can be assured of ... and don't be disappointed ... it will not be released in the first model year. Current-gen ZL1 was not...C7 Z06 was not...it's just not good tactics to put all your cards on the table in the first round of betting...

ThIs is the truth.

DanSS24 03-11-2014 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Msmall143 (Post 7437799)
Lol....another gf dictating what you drive....have fun with that!

Well, she'll get a black one while I'll get a white one. Yay!


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