If you want lite with power and handling buy a corvette. That isn't what the camaro.

Well, there are obviously changes and growth coming to the Camaro brand. "Evolution". The current 5th Gen will be revered as one of the special model runs. Sure, it's opinion. But look at what went (oh my, Im already talking in past tense) into it! Look at "who" was involved in it and all you have to do is set it side by side with anything ever made. I'm sure the 6th Gen will be great as well. And progressive. It has to be in order to contribute to the Chevy family.

There will surely be a 6th Gen. Will it be admired in historical terms. My bet is it will. Just like the 1st and 2nd were lumped together.

I don't think I've ever seen a fan base as enthusiastic as the Gen 5. The 1969 set the bar pretty high, and will always be revered. But the Gen 5 has captured "IT" too. The Gen 5's will always be looked back upon with respect and, if I may say, AWE. And with the ZL1 preparing for launch, I'd say we are only halfway through this generation. Great time to be here to observe and participate. And, as FBod says, the 15 Disciples are on the calendar. Guess what that means?

I'd like to raise a few other cars to attention...more closely related to the Camaro's layout...

There's the 3836lb Aston Virage 2+2, the 3800lb Audi RS5, the 3700lb M3, or the 3935lb Merc C63 AMG...

I've been saying all along the 5th-gen Camaro is competitive in terms of weight. There's nothing exceptionally heavy, or light about it when compared on the world stage.

Considering what fbodfather has said...

IF they are indeed working on a 6th gen Camaro, and IF said Camaro is actually based on the Alpha architecture that underpins the Cadillac ATS (to be revealed at 2012 NAIAS). Then it will be significantly smaller...by default loosing some weight...perhaps losing even more using expensive materials in high-end models.

If it looses weight I don't view it as a "fix"...because when you look at the cars listed above, I don't see an inherent "problem". I'll consider it a natural progression of automotive development. Similar to how we abandoned our land yachts of the 60s and 70s for smaller vehicles to help increase efficiency.

But I digress...regardless the reason for it, or perception on my part...smaller, more nimble Camaro = yay! :D

/mini-rant. ;)

EDIT: For those worrying about the 5thgen not going anywhere soon - you're absolutely right. But this is a little corner of the website where we can suspend reality for the sake of conversation. ;)

Looks like the 6th Gen will be coming out when I need a DD replacement. I wonder will be some of V6 of turbo I4 that will be the base engine? I don't think I need a V8 for a DD driving 50-60k like I do. :iono:

I would look closely at the ATS. That is...if the 6th generation Camaro is to share components with that car.

It starts out with a 190 hp I4, to a 270hp turbo 4, and then tops out with a 320(?)hp 3.6L V6. They claim a couple hundred pounds under the 3 series...which is about 3200. These engines will move that along quite nicely.

270hp at 3,200 pounds would be more than sufficient for me. Low 14s with 20s/30s city/highway mileage sounds about right.

Here you go....

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187554

A well prepped car. Maybe the first. For sure more to follow.

Edit: Oops, My bad the cars has ported heads too. Still impressive.

By not reading this thread you did not miss much. I am sure you guys are aware of the weight issue and will do what you can at a Camaro price point. But please give us better visibility along with good looks and a real GPS. And if the Camaro gets smaller, can you keep it easy to work on? That may be asking too much. :)

Ehhh... Guy that lives in my area. His Camaro was in GM high tech. One of the fastest stock bottom end Camaros around. Has stock ported heads, ms3 cam, Moser 9", Fast 90/90, 1 3/4 Pacesetter & spray.

Now he just changed his set up with a bigger intake, ported 799 heads, & more spray. Should be running low 9's now! If anyone can update me on the fastest 5th gen 1/4 mile that's still using a LS3. NOT a LS9!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDanOZZhaW4

Perhaps I should have been more clear in my comments.

I didn't have time to read thru the thread when I posted last evening.

I've since read the post (as I have been reading posts since we were working on the 4th gen)

I think it's safe to say that no other brand seeks more customer feedback than the Camaro (Team) -- that said, it's important to understand that the Camaro must appeal to a wide audience. We can't just address those who want to go fast in a straight line - nor can we just address those who want the car to handle like it's on rails - nor can we just address those who want a comfortable ride.............. What we DO know is that it MUST have head-turning style - and be recognizable as a Camaro......

..........we've known this for years and frankly, the 4th gen car was geared toward performance versus comfort -- and we saw how that ended.......:facepalm:

We will continue to read posts - we will continue to talk with our 15 Camaro Disciples - we'll meet with competitive-make owners - and those who own all generations of Camaro --- we'll attend dozens and dozens of Camaro/Firebird events..............and we'll make some hard decisions.....

What you CAN take to the bank: the Camaro Team is dedicated to bringing you the best Camaro possible (at a Chevrolet Price) -

and - again, I re-iterate: Anything you read about the 6th gen? Take it with a grain of salt substitute.......'cuz we ain't talkin!:chevy:

Fbodfather, I've enjoyed all 7 (5 bought new) of my Camaros thanks to you and the Camaro disciples. Number 8 and possibly last will be a Z/28. Please make the Gen5 lineup complete, a Z/28 will be the icing on the cake. If the next Camaro Summit is Gen5 Z/28 or move forward with the Gen6; Gen5 Z/28.

Thank you very much sir!! :thumbup:

Sure is great to see you here on the forums...can't wait to see what you guys bring in the future. In the meantime, the 5th gen is no doubt a great machine and I can't wait to see the ZL1 hit the streets very soon!

:bow:

I'm saving this for future 6th-gen panic du'jours.

:bellyroll:

My last little thought in here for a while...

We KNOW the team knows how to build a fast-as-heck 2+2 coupe. They've proven that time and time again with this 5th generation. So I'm not worried about performance.

And now we know (reminded, more like it) they're perfectly aware of the need for a killer design and affordable price.

Any worries I could have had have been set to bed. Thank you Fbodfather, now I'm just going to enjoy the ride!!! :headbang:

I would love to be in some of those meetings Scott, but I am happy just to know you are involved in some way and the disciples will be beckoned again to Detroit.

And Dragoneye, remember this very thread in a couple years when so many "insiders" will be telling all of us what they know about 6th Gen. I seem to remember a lot of info a few years ago about the 5th that was only partially accurate.:notheadlights:
This will only get more interesting as it snowballs out of control!:popcorn: