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tstanfa 06-24-2012 08:52 AM

[QUOTE=JusticePete;5164996]FYI, Mustang sales have been floundering since the last warm over of the same car.

I wouldn't say that Mustang sales are floundering, but Ford is probably making a ton of money on each one as the tooling costs have been paid off for a long time what with how long it's been on the market. I'm pretty sure the Mustang outsold the Camaro last month.

Competition is good for the breed, it will be interesting to see what happens with the new Mustang, the new Camaro and the new Barracuda (Challenger replacement).

KMPrenger 06-24-2012 10:43 AM

Hdesign....glad to see you here!

As I said before..I really love this. There are a few small changes I'd probably throw in, but that isn't a knock against your design in any way. I agree, that if GM does want to go evolutionary, that this is a great step right here.

But it seems every new gen Camaro has been more revolutionary than just an evolution of the previous car, so the 6th gen may end up nothing like this because really it just just look like an even sportier 5th gen. We will see!

Kahdir 06-24-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hdesign (Post 5177459)

Cool rendering :thumbsup:

J-ROD-210 06-24-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kahdir (Post 5180576)
Cool rendering :thumbsup:

+1. Please do more renders and post them here.

Revo1 06-24-2012 12:47 PM

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This still looks like a 5th gen Camaro to me. Anyone remember this change?

Was gen 4, then the styling changed dramatically. Was still gen 4.

ShnOmac 06-24-2012 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hdesign (Post 5177459)
Hey Everyone,
Thanks for all the comments on my rendering. I've been having a great time reading through them, especially the negative ones. LOL

If there's one thing I've learned about design it's that if there's no negative comments I haven't worked hard enough on it because it's too vanilla and too safe. There's never been a car, a toaster, or a supermodel that didn't get polarizing comments. I've failed if everyone's comments are lukewarm positive ones.

This rendering is completely independent of GM. I'm a freelance custom car designer and a 70 Camaro owner. Camaro Performers magazine asks me to submit renderings of interesting Camaro designs for their monthly "Camaro Concepts" feature. I guess I was just sick of sitting on the sidelines and decided to make my modest plea of what I'd like in my driveway. Some say it's too ricer, some say it's too close to the 5th gen, some see Mustang. I'll give you a little insight as to what I was thinking anyway...many of you might disagree. ;)

I'll have to say that I used this forum as a major source of direction for what my plans were. I researched the hell out of what GM Brass was leaking in interviews, what industry speculators were saying and what all of us Camaro fans and enthusiasts were saying on the forums with anonymity.

A lot of the inspiration was based the what I've been doing to my 5th gen client's cars. The elements that I kept doing over and over for them ended up on this car.

I really like the 5th generation car and it seems a lot of people do as well, judging by sales compared to the Mustang and Challenger. But every time I see one parked next to a 1st gen it just looks so slab-sided and bloated with some areas that are unnecessarily blocky and unrefined. Styling trends are already moving away from this raw, edgy stuff and I'm pretty confident that literal translations of retro stuff has run it's course.

However, Chevy has already said that they don't want to ruin what they have accomplished but there are improvements that can be made, especially the size and weight. They specifically used the word "evolutionary" not "revolutionary" when it comes to styling the new Camaro. With a lighter car that may end up having a little 4 banger, now the car is potentially affordable to a younger enthusiast crowd as well. That may help them to gain long term brand loyalty from NEW customers that have historically bypassed other boring econobox GM cars.

So in my design, basically, I shrunk it down to ATS platform size; retained the general look of the iconic muscle car greenhouse; bulged out the fenders (not quite a wide-body); added more sculpting and creases along the side to make it appear more slender; made the quarter gills functional brake cooling ports; softened up the chiseled rear and integrated some modern LED halo tail lights into a single unit (that could be swapped out for something retro by the aftermarket); sculpted blinkers into the side mirror to thin them out a little; ditched the lame mail slot, uninspired lower valence and fisher price grill and headlights for a much more aggressive and modern front fascia with larger intakes. I also added my interpretation of what a functional "ice cube" tray heat-extractor hood would be. And there's no way I wasn't going to let this leave my drawing board without some LED headlights for an RS look. The technology is already there and this is the direction the industry is headed, why not capitalize on it on an iconic light configuration that would be a perfect application?

I tried to wear as many hats as I could and think about this design from various angles. I looked at how the exotics refresh their cars generation to generation. Each generation of Porsche is a fresh evolution of it's predecessor, you can easily see the similarities but you still know it's different and NEW!

My one regret was not having enough time to submit this design with a wheel from my new forged wheel line. I'm ashamed to say that I photoshopped wheels from the Tru 140S, but they seemed to work well with the design....I think.

Thanks for all the comments (good and bad)!
Ben

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...2015Camaro.jpg

Welcome to Camaro5! :thumbsup:

Birm 06-24-2012 12:58 PM

I am in as long as : a) manual trans available and b) ls3 or better is available :)

v6 06-24-2012 03:22 PM

this just looks the same with a unique grill and lights to me, but in a drawing

papawattz 06-24-2012 04:55 PM

I would trade my 2010 SS no questions asked! Absolutly love it:thumbup:

jordanc 06-24-2012 09:28 PM

daddy like

DoggyB22 06-24-2012 11:09 PM

Not a fan....:barf:

I always wished GM made the Camaro look like this.
:thumbup:
http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/rcrum...2010Camaro.jpg

Revo1 06-24-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DoggyB22 (Post 5183270)
Not a fan....:barf:

I always wished GM made the Camaro look like this.
:thumbup:
http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/rcrum...2010Camaro.jpg

Not a fan. :barf:

HumanWiki 06-25-2012 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Revo1 (Post 5180886)
This still looks like a 5th gen Camaro to me. Anyone remember this change?

Was gen 4, then the styling changed dramatically. Was still gen 4.

Nope, don't remember that change at all...



Quote:

Originally Posted by HumanWiki (Post 5172820)
The changes between this and the current 5th remind me of the changes between the 1st and 2nd versions of the 4th gens.


FL1CK 06-25-2012 11:22 AM

I agree with Revo, that looks like a 5th Gen, not dramatic enough in the changes to be a new generation of a car.

BigCee66 06-25-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 5172503)
I wouldn't buy a Gen 6 if they came out like that. It looks nothing like a Camaro at all. I don't care if they want to sell cars to European markets, just don't ruin a classic to do so.

:word: They look like Cobalts concepts not Camaro concepts. I would so pass and keep my 5th gen if this is though...

woodside783 06-25-2012 02:36 PM

the new alpha zl1 or z28 will be even better than the curent and come in a 500 or more pounds under the 5 gen

StealthZ28 06-25-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hdesign (Post 5177459)
Hey Everyone,
Thanks for all the comments on my rendering. I've been having a great time reading through them, especially the negative ones. LOL

If there's one thing I've learned about design it's that if there's no negative comments I haven't worked hard enough on it because it's too vanilla and too safe. There's never been a car, a toaster, or a supermodel that didn't get polarizing comments. I've failed if everyone's comments are lukewarm positive ones.

This rendering is completely independent of GM. I'm a freelance custom car designer and a 70 Camaro owner. Camaro Performers magazine asks me to submit renderings of interesting Camaro designs for their monthly "Camaro Concepts" feature. I guess I was just sick of sitting on the sidelines and decided to make my modest plea of what I'd like in my driveway. Some say it's too ricer, some say it's too close to the 5th gen, some see Mustang. I'll give you a little insight as to what I was thinking anyway...many of you might disagree. ;)

I'll have to say that I used this forum as a major source of direction for what my plans were. I researched the hell out of what GM Brass was leaking in interviews, what industry speculators were saying and what all of us Camaro fans and enthusiasts were saying on the forums with anonymity.

A lot of the inspiration was based the what I've been doing to my 5th gen client's cars. The elements that I kept doing over and over for them ended up on this car.

I really like the 5th generation car and it seems a lot of people do as well, judging by sales compared to the Mustang and Challenger. But every time I see one parked next to a 1st gen it just looks so slab-sided and bloated with some areas that are unnecessarily blocky and unrefined. Styling trends are already moving away from this raw, edgy stuff and I'm pretty confident that literal translations of retro stuff has run it's course.

However, Chevy has already said that they don't want to ruin what they have accomplished but there are improvements that can be made, especially the size and weight. They specifically used the word "evolutionary" not "revolutionary" when it comes to styling the new Camaro. With a lighter car that may end up having a little 4 banger, now the car is potentially affordable to a younger enthusiast crowd as well. That may help them to gain long term brand loyalty from NEW customers that have historically bypassed other boring econobox GM cars.

So in my design, basically, I shrunk it down to ATS platform size; retained the general look of the iconic muscle car greenhouse; bulged out the fenders (not quite a wide-body); added more sculpting and creases along the side to make it appear more slender; made the quarter gills functional brake cooling ports; softened up the chiseled rear and integrated some modern LED halo tail lights into a single unit (that could be swapped out for something retro by the aftermarket); sculpted blinkers into the side mirror to thin them out a little; ditched the lame mail slot, uninspired lower valence and fisher price grill and headlights for a much more aggressive and modern front fascia with larger intakes. I also added my interpretation of what a functional "ice cube" tray heat-extractor hood would be. And there's no way I wasn't going to let this leave my drawing board without some LED headlights for an RS look. The technology is already there and this is the direction the industry is headed, why not capitalize on it on an iconic light configuration that would be a perfect application?

I tried to wear as many hats as I could and think about this design from various angles. I looked at how the exotics refresh their cars generation to generation. Each generation of Porsche is a fresh evolution of it's predecessor, you can easily see the similarities but you still know it's different and NEW!

My one regret was not having enough time to submit this design with a wheel from my new forged wheel line. I'm ashamed to say that I photoshopped wheels from the Tru 140S, but they seemed to work well with the design....I think.

Thanks for all the comments (good and bad)!
Ben

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...2015Camaro.jpg

Congrats on the Rendering looks Great IMO! Very Sleak and Bada** for sure. I always enjoy checking out the artist renderings being an artist myself. Not to mention my car got in the same magazine as this rendering so it was a double wammy for me. Keep up the good work! :thumbsup::popcorn:

And Welcome to C5:cool:

dekan513 06-25-2012 02:55 PM

i like it i would buy it.

JusticePete 06-25-2012 03:00 PM

Is the 5th Gen evolutionary or did it carve out a new design space in 2010?

papawattz 06-25-2012 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 5168541)
The 6th Gen styling language is in these two concepts.

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x375-99484.jpg
http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x383-99487.jpg

Chevrolet is looking beyond the USA for 6th Gen sales. It will be a global Chevrolet which is good for all Camaro enthusiasts. It means there will be sufficient R & D funding to deliver cars with superior performance to the current 5th Gen.

Smaller
More engine options
Direct Injection
Turbos

No need to panic. The 6th Gen will absolutely have V8 engine options.


If it looks like either of these two I will throw up, shoot my self in the leg, throw myself from a roof top and then, go buy a mustang:barf:

KarFan 06-25-2012 03:33 PM

I have a feeling that GM will just update the styling of the 5th Gen into the 6th Gen. If the Camaro stays on Zeta then I think this rendering could be plausable. If it moves to the Alpha platform then the proportions will be quite different than the 5th Gen.

Lighter and more power from the Gen V V8.

JusticePete 06-25-2012 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 5168541)
The 6th Gen styling language is in these two concepts.

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x375-99484.jpg
http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x383-99487.jpg

Chevrolet is looking beyond the USA for 6th Gen sales. It will be a global Chevrolet which is good for all Camaro enthusiasts. It means there will be sufficient R & D funding to deliver cars with superior performance to the current 5th Gen.

Smaller
More engine options
Direct Injection
Turbos

No need to panic. The 6th Gen will absolutely have V8 engine options.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCee66 (Post 5185480)
:word: They look like Cobalts concepts not Camaro concepts. I would so pass and keep my 5th gen if this is though...

The Camaro will not look like either of these concepts. The size and proportions of a smaller 6the Gen will require significant design changes. The styling language in these two concepts will be found in the 6th Gen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by papawattz (Post 5187070)
If it looks like either of these two I will throw up, shoot my self in the leg, throw myself from a roof top and then, go buy a mustang:barf:

What do you think the next Mustang will look like?

PYROLYSIS 06-25-2012 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 5188321)
The Camaro will not look like either of these concepts. The size and proportions of a smaller 6the Gen will require significant design changes. The styling language in these two concepts will be found in the 6th Gen.



What do you think the next Mustang will look like?

Can't find it but I do remember seeing on here that Tom Peters was asked if the next Camaro would have the corporate split grill and he said something like, not as long as I'm working on it. So we can at least rule that out.

JusticePete 06-25-2012 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS (Post 5188677)
Can't find it but I do remember seeing on here that Tom Peters was asked if the next Camaro would have the corporate split grill and he said something like, not as long as I'm working on it. So we can at least rule that out.

It is a safe bet the C7 won't have it either :D

This concept is probably too radical, but I can see a 6th Gen in it.

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x375-99484.jpg

You can see the similarity in the design of the VOLT concept.

http://rockyroadblog.com/wp-uploads/...ept.jpg?9d7bd4

You can see how lowering the roof line would radically change this concept.

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x383-99487.jpg

With a lower roof line, a Camaro grille...

Ed Welburn, Tom Peters, Bob Boniface and Sangyup Lee all influenced the 5th Gen. These are very talented people who push the envelope. The pushed it hard with the 5th Gen. There is no way that with an all new chassis there won't be an all new look to the 6th Gen. They will push the envelope again.

The next Mustang will be pushing the envelope as well.

http://www.mustangheaven.com/blog/wp...g-1024x680.jpg

I see a heavy GM influence in this rendering.

http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/...ng-580x385.jpg

It will be smaller, lighter and have an IRS according to the rumors on the street.

gglefty 06-25-2012 10:45 PM

Thx for the jpeg Ben. Nicely done...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Hdesign (Post 5177459)
Hey Everyone,
Thanks for all the comments on my rendering. I've been having a great time reading through them, especially the negative ones. LOL


Thanks for all the comments (good and bad)!
Ben

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...2015Camaro.jpg


JusticePete 06-25-2012 10:55 PM

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg835...pg&res=landing
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...2015Camaro.jpg

TaylorRyanSS 06-25-2012 10:56 PM

The Mustang doesn't look bad... but the Camaro is absolutely sexy.

JusticePete 06-25-2012 11:24 PM

I think they look too much alike. The current Mustang and Camaro are more distinctly a Ford and Chevy.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E6W--orCDS...ro-3489067.jpg

http://www.dieselstation.com/pics/Ne...-wallpaper.jpg

DoggyB22 06-26-2012 12:00 AM

Those Mustang concepts are ugly! :barf:

FINALLYSATISFIED 06-26-2012 12:10 AM

Mustang is taking a more Euro approach, I thought I read that somewhere.

DoggyB22 06-26-2012 01:50 AM

Sorry but all I see is a 5th gen with 2013 Mustang headlights

http://autofluence.com/wp-content/up...g-gt-green.jpg

Zeus95 06-26-2012 06:39 AM

That car is sick !! I want one, gonna have to start saving now !!

thejudgemeister 06-26-2012 12:14 PM

That would be on the right track.
 
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I certainly hope it doesn't look anything like the pics JusticPete put on his post. That would just be wrong. :thumbdown: I don't like all of the companies slapping the same grill designs on all of their models. It makes the line look cheap to me. I guess Ford would be the exception... they are cheap no matter what grill designs they give them. :laugh: I can say that because I do own two and grew up driving them. The rendering looks great but I am not sure about making them smaller. Smaller, after all is not always a good thing.:D

Dan @ Pro Custom Products 06-26-2012 04:37 PM

Nice rendering! :thumbsup:

dkg11 06-27-2012 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 5168541)
The 6th Gen styling language is in these two concepts.

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x375-99484.jpg
http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x383-99487.jpg

Chevrolet is looking beyond the USA for 6th Gen sales. It will be a global Chevrolet which is good for all Camaro enthusiasts. It means there will be sufficient R & D funding to deliver cars with superior performance to the current 5th Gen.

Smaller
More engine options
Direct Injection
Turbos

No need to panic. The 6th Gen will absolutely have V8 engine options.

i swear to god if the 6th gen camaro looks like any of those..... i may lose all respect for chevy

solo40oz 06-28-2012 10:19 PM

Where the hell is the mail slot? :)

JusticePete 06-29-2012 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solo40oz (Post 5209415)
Where the hell is the mail slot? :)

:laughabove: :bellyroll: :sm0:

Vega 07-03-2012 02:10 AM

I really dont see this as being the "6th generation" i see it as being "phase 2 of the 5th gen" just like how 67/68 was phase 1 of 1st gen and 69 was phase 2, 70-73 was phase 1 of 2nd gen and 74-81 was phase 2, 82-84 was phase 1 for 3rd gens and 85-92 was phase 2, and lastly (and most notably) 93-97 was phase 1 for 4th gen and 98-02 was phase 2

Some will argue "well its on a different platform which makes it different" i really dont agree. its the same styling, same power train, most likely will use the same suspension components, it'll be the same car with different styling and down-scaled weight and dimensions. However i know there will always be nay-sayers who will disagree with anything just for the sake of disagreeing but this is my take on it

Vega 07-03-2012 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 5188842)
It is a safe bet the C7 won't have it either :D

This concept is probably too radical, but I can see a 6th Gen in it.

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x375-99484.jpg

You can see the similarity in the design of the VOLT concept.

http://rockyroadblog.com/wp-uploads/...ept.jpg?9d7bd4

You can see how lowering the roof line would radically change this concept.

http://www.annarbor.com/assets_c/201...x383-99487.jpg

With a lower roof line, a Camaro grille...

Ed Welburn, Tom Peters, Bob Boniface and Sangyup Lee all influenced the 5th Gen. These are very talented people who push the envelope. The pushed it hard with the 5th Gen. There is no way that with an all new chassis there won't be an all new look to the 6th Gen. They will push the envelope again.

The next Mustang will be pushing the envelope as well.

http://www.mustangheaven.com/blog/wp...g-1024x680.jpg

I see a heavy GM influence in this rendering.

http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/...ng-580x385.jpg

It will be smaller, lighter and have an IRS according to the rumors on the street.


Nice Jaguar. Idk what they did to their logo but it doesnt even look like a cat anymore, its like a horse or something

I dont see this looking like the next gen mustang at all. Remember what the 2010 mustang renderings and concepts looked like? Very, very much different than the finished product, and actually looked quite a bit similar to these (remember the concepts having gull-wing doors? yeah..cant trust ford renderings at all LOL) also i dont see Ford putting the blue oval on any mustang, its just tradition to give them their own Mustang emblem rather than the Ford emblem. I dont think Ford has ever actually put the Ford logo on a Mustang. I may be wrong but i cant recall any mustang actually having the blue oval on it. I know a few had the name "ford" in certain places but never the actual blue oval logo

Camaro_hx 07-03-2012 03:09 AM

WTFFFF IS GOING ON WITH THESE CONCEPT DESIGNS!!!
I feel ill :/


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