Why do you keep bringing the V6 into this? No one is arguing against the V6, however a TTI4 is actually a threat to a V6, so if anyone is against a V6 it's the 4 cylinder fans. Also, does anyone even know if the 4 cylinder actually has better gas mileage than the V6 in the same car? I'd be willing to bet it doesn't.

You contradict yourself here. The Mustang II was a sales success, but GM gets knocked for having too many offerings? You'd like GM to put profits over volume, and yet you're arguing for a 4 cylinder car specifically for volume. You should listen to yourself.

GM needs to sell cars people want to buy. They don't have to reinvent the wheel.

Definitely older V8 Mustangs, anyway.

Was watching an episode of Top Gear/BBC, and they dyno'd an old 350...... Then had to paint over the 350 because it was no longer even close. HP drops quickly w/age.


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That is probably most likely, turbo charged adds some zip, but it's still a four banger. Americans are known world wide for being LOUD, Arrogant, Aggressive, and Obnoxious! V-8s are like Apple Pie! Like driving a Harley, LOUD and mostly used to putt-putt around. It's not about if you're feeling good, it's all about as long as you're looking good!


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I still don't believe this whole thread.

Even if you guys want to argue about whether it will sell, I don't see Al making a statement so definitive about a product this early.

Also, why hasn't the automotive press picked this up? I don't see Jalopnik, Left Lane, Auto Week, Motor Trend, or anyone else posting stories about this and making a big deal.

Basically, what I want is proof. Show me some. :thanks:

That's not quite how it works.....:rolleyes:

Let's try and stay on topic: that is - the author's baseless assumption that there will be no four cylinder in the next-gen Camaro.

Sounds like wishful thinking on his part - and he attempted to make his own dreams come true by misusing Mr. Oppenheiser's comments on another topic.

Well he did say this.

I know the topic has changed, but the core of this whole thread is built on calling out the chief engineer of our favorite car. His name is now associated with the idea that no 4-cylinder Camaro is planned. That's fine if it turns out to be true. If it's wrong, however, someone's going to call him a liar, and that's not okay.

I understand, but where in that quote does it say "There will not be a four-cylinder"? The original author was...imho...irresponsibly bold in his reporting.

I am just afraid that people are reading in between the lines where there is nothing to read, imo. However...CAFE standards are real...the 2.0T ATS is real...

Take this quote for example:

"In the future – something I don’t think the public realizes yet – there may be a day when nobody: Ford, Chrysler or GM has a V8...."

So does that mean they're dropping the V8? No....but you could make an equally baseless argument against a V8 in the 6th-gen by this quote as the author has made against a four-cylinder using the "downisizing" comment.

Al and the rest of the Camaro team often refered to the entire Camaro lineup when describing the car's character, ability, or purpose; from LS to Z/28. I think that the entire lineup is what he is referring to in that statement...just thinking back to how I've seen these guys talk and act. If you substitute a T4 for the V6, just for example: that statement still means the same thing, and the Camaro, as a brand, is not changed.

I wonder though, what about the Corvette? At least in the beginning it started out as a 6 cylinder only, it may have to return to its roots so to speak..

A good engineer will weigh all solutions to a problem, if only for a moment.

At least for now...the Corvette team decided a turbo-charged V6 didn't provide the same balance of fuel economy and performance they wanted for their car...and so they decided to stick with the V8, besides the long-standing heritage of the Corvette always having a V8, except for those first few years.

My guess is that during development, they played with the same TTV6 featured in the new Cadillac CTS Vsport.


...Also remember...the original Corvette, out of the gate wasn't designed to be a performance car. That was Zora Duntov's work shortly after...and ever since, it's had only a V8...Camaro, ever since inception, was meant to appeal to a much broader audience.

They need to make it a universal platform. That plays well with a host of crate engine upgrades after the purchase... i dont think that will impact CAFE..also will give hot rodders a dream platform to swap engines in and out along with suspension upgrades diffs the works...

Capability of a build it yourself crate car but also can manufacture if you dont want to or need too...
A direction i dont think they consider... the current model is close...

I wonder if they could drop a 4 banger in and make the LT1 a "Dealer Installed Option". Just joking...