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Said it before, and I'll say it again, but I agree with Baylor, and I feel the Camaro would do good to downsize a little, unless GM can pull off some miracle and keep it the same size AND drop 300+ lbs (yeah right).

Yes, the ATS is on a slightly smaller platform, but it IS a sedan...so I don't see any reason whatsoever why it can't be made to be coupe (Camaro). I know you all know this, but take a step back and look at the size of the 5th gen compared to the 4th gen and earlier. It is the odd ball out in terms of size and weight.....but I also feel it looks the best, but not b/c of the size. Same car but in ATS size would be fine by me.

Mustang is shrinking...perhaps considerably. I don't think Camaro needs to go that small, nor would I really want it to, but it needs to stay pretty damn close to Mustang in terms of weight/power ratio and handling. How much of a fail would it be for the next "base" Mustang to weigh 3,100 to 3,200 lbs and Camaro base to weigh 3,500 lbs? It would be embarrasing. Some people just want a bigger car and don't care about the weight, and I have no issue with that. But these two cars are direct compeititors whether you may like it or not, and so whatever improvements Mustang makes (weight/power) Camaro should work to be competitive.

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Originally Posted by DJ_BigC (Post 6977079)

I currently own both, a 2013 ATS Luxury package 2.0L turbo AWD, and let me tell you it's not even remotely close to being a Camaro. If GM tries to make the new gen Camaro similar to the ATS their gonna miss the boat really hard. Don't get me wrong my ATS is a nice car, and has some mechanical and undercarriage similarities but it's not a camaro, a new gen camaro and will never be compatible, well I hope not.

I don't get this statement. Sure, it may not feel like a Camaro in terms of look or feel, but the chasis is a wonderful place to start for a next gen Camaro in my opinion. ATS is known to be a great handler. Why wouldn't we want this for the next Camaro??

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Originally Posted by GroundhogSS (Post 6978147)

I thought the best guesses were that the Camaro would be on the longer wheel base version of the alpha platform, making it a little larger than the ATS.

Why would it go on the LWB Alpha?

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 6979378)

Why would it go on the LWB Alpha?

Just going by comments above about the ATS being smaller than the Camaro, basically a 2+2. And I thought it was mentioned in some other threads about using the longer platform. It's probably all speculation.

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Originally Posted by GroundhogSS (Post 6979714)

Yup, pretty much. About the only thing that is definite is that Camaro will be on a version of the Alpha platform, beyond that, complete speculation.

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Originally Posted by GroundhogSS (Post 6979714)

Well the Camaro needs to get smaller and lighter.

If anything, the resurrected Chevelle should go on the LWB Alpha.

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Originally Posted by wakespeak (Post 6977812)

The ATS based Camaro, at least the German take:

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/07/...-in-frankfurt/

Eh.

That concept shares a LOT with the Buick Riviera concept from a few months ago.

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Originally Posted by Number 3 (Post 6975581)

The ATS is an outstanding car. Agree with the comments. That being said, that won't necessarily make it a great Camaro.

Disagree on the size. The ATS is a small car. Keep in mind it is the same size as a Chevy Cruze and for all the people on here going "give us the ATS" as the platform for the NG Camaro, you are also saying, "give me a car the size of the Chevy Cruze".

I may be wrong on this point, but I don't want a small Camaro.

I've made the Comparison of our Audi S4 vs. the ATS. The Audi weighs a good 300 plus pounds more and if I'm picking, I'm picking the Audi. Doesn't mean that's what works for everyone, but for me I'd rather have the 3.0T and full time AWD and a slightly bigger car. Audi has reasonable rear seat accommodations. The ATS is at best a 2+2. Audi has a bigger trunk roomier and front seat space. And a Cruze has better rear seat and trunk space than the ATS. And agree those aren't attributes people are looking for in a Camaro, but GM has notoriously and famously packaged cars big on the outside and small on the inside. Look at the CTS Coupe. No front seat head room and a joke in the rear seat area. The took a reasonably roomy sedan and made it pretty bad if you ever intend more than a 12 year old to sit in the back seats. I love that car but it is a complete compromise to achieve the styling.

Now some will take a lighter Camaro no matter how small it is. That model doesn't work for me.

I want a Camaro off of a mid size platform, not a compact. JMO

ATS
Wheelbase (in / mm): 109.3 / 2775
Length (in / mm): 182.8 / 4643
Height (in / mm): 55.9 / 1421
Width (in / mm): 71.1 / 1805
Track (in / mm):
Front: 59.5 / 1512
Rear: 60.9 / 1548

2014 Camaro
WHEEL BASE 9 ft. 4.3 in. (112.3 in.)
LENGTH 15 ft. 10.6 in. (190.6 in.)
HEIGHT 4 ft. 6.2 in. (54.2 in.)
WIDTH 6 ft. 3.5 in. (75.5 in.)
FRONT TRACK 5 ft. 3.7 in. (63.7 in.)
REAR TRACK 5 ft. 4.1 in. (64.1 in.)

2015 CTS
Wheelbase (in / mm): 114.6 / 2911
Length (in / mm): 195.5 / 4966
Height (in / mm): 57.2 / 1454
Width (in / mm): 72.2 / 1833
Track (in / mm):
Front: 61.4 / 1560
Rear: 61.7 / 1568

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Originally Posted by oklapike (Post 6976343)

I, personally, am of the mindset that the Camaro needs to be smaller and lighter. That said, I also think there could be room to slot an additional, larger, 5 seat coupe above Camaro.

I agree. As it is, the Wheelbase of the ATS is over 2 inches longer than the Mustang. Keep the Camaro a 2+2 (which it really always has been). Make a CTS-Monte Carlo.

Unless Ford revives a Cougar, the platform design cost per unit will always be significantly higher than GMs plan for the ATS-Camaro. Assuming Camaro sales stay competitive with Mustangs.

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Originally Posted by DJ_BigC (Post 6977079)

Incomparable... The 2.0/3.6 performance RWD iare the ONLY ATS models that would be performance comparable

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Originally Posted by Exigent (Post 6967093)

I have an ATS now, bought it as a way of previewing the next Camaro. So far I've been impressed.

Now take a look at Transformers 4 Bumblebee, loose the froufrou, put it on the 109.3 inch wheelbase (I think it may already BE)...squint, and there you have it! :doh:

The top brass claim the design is EVOLUTIONARY, not REVOLUTIONARY.
They gave us a heads up with the squinty eyed front for 2014. Bumblebee from Tr 4 is just a continuation. Tail lights are 2014. Haunches will be a bit different (as in TR 4) just because it's shorter. They are pretty much hiding the 2016 in plain sight. :cool:

ATS Coupe (shorter than sedan) is similar in size (larger wheelbase) to a Mustang. People who think they can't make a Camaro from that auspicious start are not engineers.

ATS, CTS, and Camaro will be made on the same line in Lansing. I doubt there will be any similar cues in styling between them. They will only be made on the same production line.

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Originally Posted by WATCHER (Post 7434918)

ATS, like the ZETA II Camaro, is modular. The front and rear sub-frames can be set to any length within a range.

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Originally Posted by The_Blur (Post 6967237)

I usually do the same thing, testing out new platforms until the halo model comes out. When I get bored with them, I dramatically crash them and sell videos of the explosions to movie studios. When my insurance goes up, I buy out the insurance company and set my own rates. It's good being a multi-billionaire.

Amazing