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FINALLYSATISFIED 06-02-2013 12:21 AM

The Z28 what could have been....
 
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Now that the lengendary Z/28 will be released, how about those whom were born in a era when they knew a Z28? A T-top 6 Gen Z28? Not I take anything away from the Z/28 or ZL1 but it could be done...I wished the Z28 returned however, but GM did a switcheroo and went back to the heritage of the Z/28.

I ended up driving in a neighborhood where my cousin lives and spotted this t-top Z28 and just made me think, damn that looks sexy.

KKreme15 06-02-2013 12:24 AM

T tops are so ill. So is the targa top in corvettes

Dizzy82 06-02-2013 12:49 AM

A clean 4th gen will always make me look twice.

Bhobbs 06-02-2013 05:37 AM

:facepalm:

The Z28 is like a Chinese knock off of the Z/28. It looks almost right and could probably fool the people who don't know the real thing but isn't quite there.

Yes, I drive a T top, M6 Z28 but I would never give up the Z/28 so the Z28 could return.

meissen 06-02-2013 06:46 AM

I love t-tops but unfortunately it sounds like t-tops will never be back. Considering no chance of t-tops, I'd absolutely love to see a targa top on the 6th gen. IMHO that is the biggest thing the 5th gen lacks -- IMHO the sunroof is no comparison to having a fully open roof right above your head but still have the structure of the hatch behind you.

When I drive with the windows down in my 5th gen, I feel like I could be driving ANY car... I don't feel like I'm cruising. But when I drive with the windows down and the t-tops off in my 4th gen, I'm cruising... If there's no targa top in the 6th gen, my next Camaro will be a convertible.

FenwickHockey65 06-02-2013 07:27 AM

GM already said they can't do T-tops.

And if that's seriously the only thing that makes a Z/28 a Z/28, then...:laugh:

ssrs396 06-02-2013 08:34 AM

Targa.....Targa.....Targa!!!

BigBlock69RS 06-02-2013 08:36 AM

T-tops went out with mullets...

Besides it kills the structure of the car making it handle similar to a vert which defeats the entire point of the z28

FINALLYSATISFIED 06-02-2013 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 6618163)
:facepalm:

The Z28 is like a Chinese knock off of the Z/28. It looks almost right and could probably fool the people who don't know the real thing but isn't quite there.

Yes, I drive a T top, M6 Z28 but I would never give up the Z/28 so the Z28 could return.

Never knew GM produced knock offs, lol. A Z28 is simply a daily driven machine. And I know we have a ZL1, but a Z28 would need to be NA.

ssrs396 06-02-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBlock69RS (Post 6618390)
T-tops went out with mullets...

Besides it kills the structure of the car making it handle similar to a vert which defeats the entire point of the z28


T-tops in the 80s were the bomb, loved them! 2 79 Anniversary Trans Ams and an 85 firebird! I think on a Z/28 is a bit much but ok on the rest of the line.

FINALLYSATISFIED 06-02-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 (Post 6618254)
GM already said they can't do T-tops.

And if that's seriously the only thing that makes a Z/28 a Z/28, then...:laugh:

No one said a t top is the only thing that makes a Z28 a Z28. I'm certain every Z28 isn't a targa version. :doh: How old are you?

FenwickHockey65 06-02-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED (Post 6618408)
No one said a t top is the only thing that makes a Z28 a Z28. I'm certain every Z28 isn't a targa version. :doh: How old are you?

Considering that's pretty much all your OP talks about...

Blau camaro 06-02-2013 09:38 AM

Personally don't care for a top with a gaping hole in it. To each his/her own.

OUTATIME 06-02-2013 10:24 AM

Doesn't the corvette have a removable roof? If so, why can't there be T-Tops?

GunnyG 06-02-2013 10:34 AM

3rd Gen Z/28 is why I have my Camaro today. One of my friends' older brother had a chocolate brown IROC, w/nitrous...man that car was sweet. Tragically he died racing it. I have still been fond of the Z's since I was a kid.

Bad@ssCamaro 06-02-2013 10:37 AM

I don't think we'll ever see a Targa top for the Camaro, it's never been part of what makes it a Camaro. I know the OP wants to experience those Z28 days again, but if history repeats itself, I'm sure we will see one again from the Camaro Team, just have to wait a few years.

FINALLYSATISFIED 06-02-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OUTATIME (Post 6618677)
Doesn't the corvette have a removable roof? If so, why can't there be T-Tops?

My point exactly.

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Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro (Post 6618722)
I don't think we'll ever see a Targa top for the Camaro, it's never been part of what makes it a Camaro. I know the OP wants to experience those Z28 days again, but if history repeats itself, I'm sure we will see one again from the Camaro Team, just have to wait a few years.

I'll wait!

motorhead 06-02-2013 10:54 AM

I'm certainly clad that GM didn't go the 4th gen route with the Z/28. That would have been a huge failure. Remember that's the very car that put the camaro on the side lines for years. That should tell you something right there.

Bhobbs 06-02-2013 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED (Post 6618394)
Never knew GM produced knock offs, lol. A Z28 is simply a daily driven machine. And I know we have a ZL1, but a Z28 would need to be NA.

No, a Z28 is a way to make money of the Z/28 heritage without building a Z/28.

The Z28 badge has been replaced by the SS badge for the 5th gen.

omgitsmikeyC 06-02-2013 02:16 PM

The convertible Camaro has structural bracing to make it as close to the rigity of the standard Coupe, so they could easily do it for T-Tops. Now if the NHTSA says they are too unsafe, that is a different story. Z-28's were originally low optioned light weight track cars that had better balance than the Heavier engined SS cars. They were more auto-cross style cars, the RS being a modification from that as the off-road rally type. Personally I love what they have done with the Z-28, but they should have put the LT-1 in it. Coming from the factory without a radio and things like that do not appeal to people the same way as they did in the 60's because you pay more for less now with that car.

2cnd chance 06-02-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED (Post 6618394)
A Z28 is simply a daily driven machine. And I know we have a ZL1, but a Z28 would need to be NA.

Sounds a lot like a 1LE. :thumbsup:

2cnd chance 06-02-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by omgitsmikeyC (Post 6619416)
The convertible Camaro has structural bracing to make it as close to the rigity of the standard Coupe, so they could easily do it for T-Tops. Now if the NHTSA says they are too unsafe, that is a different story. Z-28's were originally low optioned light weight track cars that had better balance than the Heavier engined SS cars. They were more auto-cross style cars, the RS being a modification from that as the off-road rally type. Personally I love what they have done with the Z-28, but they should have put the LT-1 in it. Coming from the factory without a radio and things like that do not appeal to people the same way as they did in the 60's because you pay more for less now with that car.

Where does one begin??? :iono:

29er 06-02-2013 04:45 PM

at least the paint matches! --on different body panels--instead of all the c5's.....

speaking of the front facia and hood/fenders, not one ,i see paint is matching.

Bhobbs 06-02-2013 10:12 PM

I do have to say the LS1 4th gen is one of my favorite Camaros.

PeeBee 06-03-2013 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OUTATIME (Post 6618677)
Doesn't the corvette have a removable roof? If so, why can't there be T-Tops?

Probably because the Z/28 is to be a track day special, and rules have changed a bit.

I know for a fact that most coupes are not allowed to have i.e. a sunroof if you want to go racing with them...

Putting a T-top on a "closed track car" would entirely beat the purpose of said car and rule it out for any potential race series...

PeeBee 06-03-2013 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by omgitsmikeyC (Post 6619416)
you pay more for less now with that car.

Sometimes less IS more...

And beside, you get more cubic inches :)

Aldrich Z06 06-03-2013 09:41 AM

The first Z28 I ever saw was a new 68 red with black stripes my friend bought back in 68. To me that's the real Z28.
No sunroof and targa tops for me. I've had four vettes with the targa tops and all it is for is to catch wind and make noise. But everyones different and likes differents things. On the new Camaro the sunroof takes away from the contour of the roof I think.

lbls1 06-03-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED (Post 6617910)
Now that the lengendary Z/28 will be released, how about those whom were born in a era when they knew a Z28? A T-top 6 Gen Z28? Not I take anything away from the Z/28 or ZL1 but it could be done...I wished the Z28 returned however, but GM did a switcheroo and went back to the heritage of the Z/28.

I ended up driving in a neighborhood where my cousin lives and spotted this t-top Z28 and just made me think, damn that looks sexy.

Believe me I know them all too well!

demonspeed 06-03-2013 12:20 PM

All 3 of my 4th gens have had t-tops; I had a t-top '89 IROC and hardtop '91 Z28.

With that said, I rarely take the tops out. It is a nice novelty, but with how I use my vehicles, I prefer the hardtop. I've only purchased preowned Camaros, so I've taken what I could find; however, I will order my 6th gen as a hardtop even if one is able to choose t-tops/targa top.

I figure that if I want to open up the roof then I'd just buy a convertible.

meissen 06-03-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by demonspeed (Post 6622739)
All 3 of my 4th gens have had t-tops; I had a t-top '89 IROC and hardtop '91 Z28.

With that said, I rarely take the tops out. It is a nice novelty, but with how I use my vehicles, I prefer the hardtop. I've only purchased preowned Camaros, so I've taken what I could find; however, I will order my 6th gen as a hardtop even if one is able to choose t-tops/targa top.

I figure that if I want to open up the roof then I'd just buy a convertible.

To each their own. When I'm driving my FBody in the warm weather months, I want to be able to enjoy the warm weather... you simply can't do that with a 5th gen unless it's a convertible. You roll the windows down and yeah you get a little bit of wind, but nothing compares to popping the t-tops off and having that open air feeling without sacrificing having a "hard top" when the weather isn't nice out.

Bhobbs 06-03-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by omgitsmikeyC (Post 6619416)
Personally I love what they have done with the Z-28, but they should have put the LT-1 in it. Coming from the factory without a radio and things like that do not appeal to people the same way as they did in the 60's because you pay more for less now with that car.

What does the LT1 offer over the LS7?

demonspeed 06-03-2013 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by meissen (Post 6622865)
To each their own. When I'm driving my FBody in the warm weather months, I want to be able to enjoy the warm weather... you simply can't do that with a 5th gen unless it's a convertible. You roll the windows down and yeah you get a little bit of wind, but nothing compares to popping the t-tops off and having that open air feeling without sacrificing having a "hard top" when the weather isn't nice out.

I hear what you're saying :cool: I used to always have mine out in my IROC and first LS1 car. As my interests have changed as to the reason I drive my Camaros (from mostly cruising to now beating the snot out of it!), I want less frills. This is why I wouldn't discourage GM from making t-tops again; however, I personally wouldn't be opting for them.

omgitsmikeyC 06-03-2013 03:40 PM

Lt1 offers direct injection which means a higher fuel pressure capable of handling turbo and supercharger upgrades better. I believe it's also a lighter motor and has Vvt. It's been a while since I read the motor specs but a no gas guzzler capable of 500hp from the factory is pretty sweet.

omgitsmikeyC 06-03-2013 03:45 PM

Here's an article on it. http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ngine_details/

Verbolten 06-03-2013 03:55 PM

Z/28 and a Z/28R would have made Chevy a boat load of money. It's alot harder to make a car Show and GO.

FINALLYSATISFIED 06-03-2013 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lbls1 (Post 6622511)
Believe me I know them all too well!

Lol. Just pure sexiness!

Norm Peterson 06-03-2013 04:53 PM

For sure a sunroof will cost you helmet room. I imagine that a T-top would as well.

Besides, if you soften the character of this Z/28 that far, there isn't enough reason to build the rest of its hardcore track day goodness into it.


Norm

Bhobbs 06-03-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by omgitsmikeyC (Post 6623502)
Lt1 offers direct injection which means a higher fuel pressure capable of handling turbo and supercharger upgrades better. I believe it's also a lighter motor and has Vvt. It's been a while since I read the motor specs but a no gas guzzler capable of 500hp from the factory is pretty sweet.

I'm talking about in stock form.

omgitsmikeyC 06-03-2013 05:44 PM

In stock better mileage, lighter weight and about 30hp and 20 tq less. No gas guzzler tax for owner.

ICTsccaCamaro 06-03-2013 06:10 PM

Main thing I love about that 4th gen is the amazing Autozone "racing" seat covers currently saving up for our set of them ourselves


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