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mikeyg36 02-18-2013 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl (Post 6175993)
Yeah, these mechanical High-Pressure Fuel Pumps are a PITA. Too big and they flow too much fuel at idle and low RPMs. Too small and they don't flow enough at the high RPMs. It would be nice if they had two, one that had a valve that didn't open to the fuel rails until the RPMs were above 4000, otherwise it just recirculates the fuel. I think that would solve the problem for high HP demands.

Design it, patent it, and we'll go into business and sell that to car manufacturers for ridiculous amounts of money :D

GretchenGotGrowl 02-18-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyg36 (Post 6176242)
Design it, patent it, and we'll go into business and sell that to car manufacturers for ridiculous amounts of money :D

I'll leave that to the big guys because it would be expensive to develop. May have a better thing in the works for much cheaper, but it won't be my idea. Working on a way to port inject supplemental fuel at higher RPMs. It will have the advantage in that it will clean the valves, too (big problem with DI engines). Going to try to make it so you can also inject nitrous as well :D.

Mr. Wyndham 02-18-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 6171091)
Just curious...If the new Gen6 is smaller, lighter, handles better, etc., how would the hp/torq/0-60, etc. compare to the Gen5?...I've heard code numbers for other V-8's (LS7, whatever), what are we talking in c.i. or horsepower?...Will the LS3 or L99 be unchanged in the Gen6...

(Sort of burned out on the I-4 thing, so what about the "big-dog" engines that may go in the Gen6?)...Thanks...

Your best bet is to look into the new Gen-V small blocks that GM has developed. I'm sure there will be many variants, but the LT-1 in the new Corvette pumps out 450+hp/450+torque, with a torque curve similar to the LS7 up to about 4000 rpms...and dramatically increased fuel economy, too.

But...as long as your crystal ball is polished - you're guess is as good as mine!

SRT8Tech 02-18-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 6175522)
Ok...I'll bite...What the heck is an LT4?...lol...(sorry...lol)...(the short version will do)...lol


This is short...:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LT_engine

baby02 02-18-2013 04:36 PM

AFM on the 2014 stringray with have the option of turning on or off by the owner.

OldScoolCamaro 02-18-2013 05:14 PM

The skinny is that they are pitting the LF3<3.6 L TT> against the LT1<naturally aspirated 6.2L>, and the LF3 against the LT1 with a supercharger (ala LT4, as mentioned previously, but not specified in the report by the same engine nomenclature) in the next Gen Cadillac's. Stay tuned.

90503 02-18-2013 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 6176651)
Your best bet is to look into the new Gen-V small blocks that GM has developed. I'm sure there will be many variants, but the LT-1 in the new Corvette pumps out 450+hp/450+torque, with a torque curve similar to the LS7 up to about 4000 rpms...and dramatically increased fuel economy, too.

But...as long as your crystal ball is polished - you're guess is as good as mine!

By variants, perhaps you mean "options" or "choices" in the V-8 (s) ??
LT1 (with or without AFM, in either auto or manual trans)?, LT4 (Super-charged, turbo-charged)...Also, perhaps thinking incorrectly, that AFM is not "do-able" with some form of forced-induction..?

Just sayin', an option list for V-8 engines would be awesome, and right up Chevy's reputation for being able to interchange engines....(Perhaps crystal ball is getting a little foggy here)...lol

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Originally Posted by SRT8Tech (Post 6176678)

Thanks, gives what they used to be...but those links for the LT1 sort of showed that using the old codes for engines doesn't mean much these days...lol...

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Originally Posted by baby02 (Post 6176972)
AFM on the 2014 stringray with have the option of turning on or off by the owner.

If true, that sounds like a definite "upgrade" from the current LS3/L99..

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro (Post 6177113)
The skinny is that they are pitting the LF3<3.6 L TT> against the LT1<naturally aspirated 6.2L>, and the LF3 against the LT1 with a supercharger (ala LT4, as mentioned previously, but not specified in the report by the same engine nomenclature) in the next Gen Cadillac's. Stay tuned.

Wondering again about Camaro V-8 options...would rather see them available as a choice from the beginning, instead of year-to-year assembly line change that would only be available for that particular year...

OldScoolCamaro 02-18-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 6177408)
LS3/L99..
Wondering again about Camaro V-8 options...would rather see them available as a choice from the beginning, instead of year-to-year assembly line change that would only be available for that particular year...

...but if one is a student of GM history, one would know they do not follow that approach you mentioned. They build engines, designate them for platforms/models, that are certified. Certification is a lenghty and time consuming process...thats' what GM does...guarantees their engines within a reasonable degree of cetainty. They do not deviate from that certification, until they come up with a new engine platform. In past history, these powerplants have been used for a predetermined service life. There is no yearly change, or upgrade, and this doctrine has been in place been. There is no reason they would change it. We have not seen what GM has in store with the DI Gen 5 motors. Cadillac and Corvette will unveil the next lineage, from there we shall follow. Stay tuned, and read on beyond C5 for info.

90503 02-18-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro (Post 6177833)
...but if one is a student of GM history, one would know they do not follow that approach you mentioned. They build engines, designate them for platforms/models, that are certified. Certification is a lenghty and time consuming process...thats' what GM does...guarantees their engines within a reasonable degree of cetainty. They do not deviate from that certification, until they come up with a new engine platform. In past history, these powerplants have been used for a predetermined service life. There is no yearly change, or upgrade, and this doctrine has been in place been. There is no reason they would change it. We have not seen what GM has in store with the DI Gen 5 motors. Cadillac and Corvette will unveil the next lineage, from there we shall follow. Stay tuned, and read on beyond C5 for info.

Not disagreeing with you on that...sure you're probably right...was just thinking of a comparison like the 60's...you could get a 350, or a 396 or whatever, all in the same year, all with different variations...Probably never see that again, but why not, for example, LT1 (standard)...LS3, LT4,or LS7 available as an option...

...These engines already exist, are "certified" or whatever...just sayin'...

OldScoolCamaro 02-18-2013 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 6177879)
Not disagreeing with you on that...sure you're probably right...was just thinking of a comparison like the 60's...you could get a 350, or a 396 or whatever, all in the same year, all with different variations...Probably never see that again, but why not, for example, LT1 (standard)...LS3, LT4,or LS7 available as an option...

...These engines already exist, are "certified" or whatever...just sayin'...

...I hear ya!. I liked those times as well, lots of choices, ala carte or individual options, engines, performance options, appearance packages, 16 colors etc....but alas...those were the days...<as Archie Bunker said> A far gone memory of the kind only read about in the history books...;)

Mr. Wyndham 02-18-2013 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 6177408)
By variants, perhaps you mean "options" or "choices" in the V-8 (s) ??
LT1 (with or without AFM, in either auto or manual trans)?, LT4 (Super-charged, turbo-charged)...Also, perhaps thinking incorrectly, that AFM is not "do-able" with some form of forced-induction..?

Just sayin', an option list for V-8 engines would be awesome, and right up Chevy's reputation for being able to interchange engines....(Perhaps crystal ball is getting a little foggy here)...lol

Just a year ago...AFM wasn't doable with manual transmissions....but they figured it out for the C7 Corvette. ;) So...never say never, I guess is my point.

All I meant my "variants" was...when GM rolls over a new generation of V8...there are always different versions, for different applications...car engines, truck engines, FE engines, HO engines, blown engines, etc, etc....

May not have an a la carte list on the 6th-gen...in fact, my money is on definitely not...but we can't assume that the engine the 6th-gen Camaro get will be THE LT-1...could be a different variant, like how Chevy upgraded the LS1 to the LS6 to the LS2 to the LS3 within 6-8 years....:iono:

Bhobbs 02-18-2013 08:49 PM

1LE type suspension as stock.

Mr. Wyndham 02-18-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 6178075)
1LE type suspension as stock.

Question....

The 1LE suspension is rather stiff (not harsh...just stiff)...what if the new Mustang offered a cushy ride on the regular GT model and that won a lot of people over who were only looking for a V8...or looks?

KarFan 02-19-2013 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 6178087)
Question....

The 1LE suspension is rather stiff (not harsh...just stiff)...what if the new Mustang offered a cushy ride on the regular GT model and that won a lot of people over who were only looking for a V8...or looks?

By the time the 6th Gen comes to market it's likely the continued trickle down of MRC will come to the base V8 Camaro, at least as an option.


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