gm says FIFTH gen refresh will be at ...
 

So much fir all you guys saying that the gen 6 is going to be out in 15-16.. you DO NOT do a refresh and then build new model in one or two years.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281276

..........o......k........

You DO if the refresh consists of parts-bin taillights and trim bits.

Repost, already stated in the 5th Gen section.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281276

Repost but here's my 3 cents...

Ford did a refresh on the Mustang (for current '13 model) and a new generation will be out for the '15 model year. I wouldn't rule out Chevy's plan for the Camaro.

I plan to go to the upcoming NY auto show since I'll be in the NJ/NY area... I guess I'll see firsthand. http://rumors.automobilemag.com/conf...#axzz2MmpWAtJe

Ford did a nice refresh for 2013....their new car is coming for 2015.

This isn't the mid 90s anymore. You have to stay competitive...keeping the cars exciting is how you do it.

Your statement doesn't hold water.

Not true at all. They could easily slap on a slightly different front fascia, rear, rockers, mirrors, wheels, interior stuff. Without changing any metal.

LS7. Its going to look like this:
http://tysongamblin.files.wordpress....ro-3.jpg?w=655

http://tysongamblin.files.wordpress....ro-1.jpg?w=655

GM already has the parts in stock. A refresh means the 5th gen is on the way out the door.

...define refresh....

Maybe they will use the Camaro I seen at a gas station for a Camaro giveaway. Had the quad foglights?

This fascia
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w...psf929f3ed.jpg

That's the "Jay Leno" Camaro from 2009......

...Don't think this "re-fresh" will be much more than show-casing a few minor changes or upgrades similar to what's already happened with the '12s and '13s...(a new rear view mirror, back-up camera, etc.)...Doubt it will be anything major like an engine option or engine change...

...exactly, fluff, not stuff.....those expecting more or reading into it beyond any measure will be dissapointed. Wait till 2015 for the real refresh to happen.

I know that lol, the parts are there. GM would be dumb not to utilize them.

...have you not realized by now not to try to use one's own logic to determine what they should do? If you scratch your head long enough to contemplate it you will develop male pattern baldness. :biggrin:

That was a tough read. I'm scratching my head just figuring out what you were trying to say. :bellyroll:

I like that look. Make the vents on the hood functional, DRLs LEDs on the outside of blackened section and functional brake ducts on the inside. NPP instead of that exhaust they are using.

Soloknight6...the parts have been there for along time to utilze them into a platform as you allude to, the thing is it's a reoccuring theme with the same result....parts stay in the bin....with no futherence of a performance goal in mind, other than a corporate introduction of a model or design based on long term use, with no change within, rather visionary shorter term upgrades with a goal in mind to beat the competition on a micro level, rather than a slow changing macro approach.

I dont know if they would retool the parts they already have. But I like your ideas. The reason I think the refreshed camaros will look like the Leno concept, is because the diffuser, fascia, and hood all had part numbers. They were in the system for a short time, then they disappeared.

Of course you do. In fact that's par for the course. The only reason to do a scheduled refresh is to keep the existing product relevant for another year or so until a new model is ready.

They've already made plans to move the car's production to another plant...can't see any major additions or changes until after that move is completed...

Speak plain, and with less commas. :biggrin:
All they are doing is a cosmetic refresh, with the possibility of introducing a very limited LS7 variant. When the 1LE was released, it used parts taken from the "Bin." The LENO camaro concept's front splitter was used, as well as the LENO rocker panels (Also seen on the latter ZL1). If GM is doing a cosmetic refresh, I am certain they would use parts that already exist on a concept. I think it would be silly for them to tool new cosmetic pieces. A big waste of money, and time. Paying designers and engineers to create a new front bumper/hood/whatever they end up doing; or go with the parts used on the Leno and TF3 car? Shouldn't be a tough decision.
If they want to update the 5th gens look at the end of its run... They already have the parts... And they have alredy used them on production cars (1LE & ZL1)... Thats all Im saying.
http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/att...1289863258.jpg
http://cdn.carsroute.com/wp-content/...aro-SEMA-1.jpg
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cro...e-2_600x0w.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....ro-zl1-opt.jpg

...you will probably be sorely dissapointed if you believe that, refresh is code word for fluff....nothing will be retooled, tools and dies will press,cut, and stamp out parts as before in large, some accoutrements will be added....

Thats what im trying to say... We are having trouble communicating lol. Im saying they will use already existing parts. Like the Leno front fascia, the Leno hood, etc. To retool anything would be stupid financially.

LOL, if we actually talked together we more than likely would understand each others point.....:biggrin:. So much for forums, written text, and the internet. Cheers! :peace:

True lol. I am challenged when it comes to forums. Cheers! :happy0180::respekt:

If they end up going with the Leno front end...I may be saying bye bye to my heritage grille, and street scene lower grille.....and the entire bumper lol.

2009 mustang looks waaaay diff than a 2010 up.. jyst sayin.
Sheetmetal can and will change.. maybe not mounting spots but it us going to change.. this car u s not going anywhere until 2016-17..

Not when a brand-new Mustang is just around the corner.

Probably gonna be some sheetmetal tweaks. Got to keep the design fresh before new model. I know ill catch flack for saying this, but the 5th gen design to me is getting stale. Ive seen since the concept came out back in 06. Time to tweak it a bit IMO. Keep it fresh and exciting before a new model comes out.

Blah blah blah, another thread by a misinformed poster.

Lol mis unformed.. do any of you have any idea how much it costs to do a mid model facelift.. it isn't something you do if your releasing a brand new platform in a year. The new camaro WILL NoT HIT THE GROUND before a new cts.. the cts and camaro are again going to be built I n the same platform and that car isn't hitting rhe ground until 2016.. the gen 6 is going to be a 2017 model.. wht would they wait.. hmm I don't know, maybe for the 50th.. naa. That makes way sense huh?

GM has never released a new generation of a Camaro during an anniversary year. The sixth gen might just come as a 2017 model though, which would mean we are getting one heck of a refresh.

The Camaro is most likely going to be build on the Alpha platform which the ATs is based. The CTS, if I remember right, will be on a stretched Alpha.

I think there is a new engine coming, well not new, but new to the Camaro:emoticon11:

1969 camaro had every single body panel replaced except for the roof metal and trunk lid. Im not saying one way or another I'm just saying it has happened.

Gm is on a 7 year platform plan.. has been for years.

Car refresh all the time before a major change to get people to buy for the new model comes out... They don't want consumers just waiting for a body change...so a refresh attracts and helps last minute sales before new body style hits

Nobody's saying it will. CTS debuts at the end of this month and will be in production by the end of the year. Camaro will probably be around the 2015 timeframe.

And Camaro will most likely be on SWB Alpha, not LWB Alpha like the CTS.

Anniversary years are a stupid thing to base future product predictions off of. It makes no difference.

Not really. The average is closer to 5. Seven is way too long compared to the rest of the industry, and the bankruptcy delayed a lot of the current programs.

Heck the 'new for 2013' Malibu will be getting a refresh in 2014.