Oh my!

You're as surly as I am!!!!!


(...I KNEW I liked you for some reason!!!)


to everyone else: Just kidding!

We ARE looking at your notes.

Some are doable - some are not.

Further, you're very well represented by our "12 Disciples of which there are 15!"

ah yes -- hideaway headlamps.

Now - before I go further: I LOVED hide-away headlamps on the 1st gens - as well as Corvette and Caprice (68, 69) and El Dorado (67 and 68) --

That said: has anyone EVER seen a 1st Gen Camaro where the headlamp doors align properly?

Also - it adds a ton of weight.

What IS true: lighting comes in several forms today -- does it HAVE to have doors? What about 'hidden' behind grille bars?


I see some good stuff here....but a word of caution: I want you to think about the weight issue. How important is it? Remember -- the car must remain 'refined' as the 5th gen in terms of everyday use - and it must earn a 5-star crash rating. I bring this up because if you look thru the thread - there are many "lose weight!" followed by "Cooled seats" ( +weight!) "Cimate Control" ( ++ weight) "Hideaway headllights" ( + weight!) "T-tops" (++++++++++++++++ weight!) etc.

Take some time and think it thru............we're listening.

(...but while our engineers are amazing, they haven't yet figured out how to change the rules of physics......they're workin' on it...........but...........)

Blind spot monitoring. My wife's car (Mazda) has it and it's fantastic.

Standard rear view reverse camera. Again, my wife's Mazda has it.

NAVIGATION without a monthly fee. It's 2013!!!

Hmm good point about the weight. Guess we'll just have to fix that with Horsepower! :burnrubber:


:D

Agree with the fbodfather... Hide aways are a cool concept, but have too many negatives.

I actually think the HID RS lights are spot on. Great functionality, and make the car recognizable.

fbodfather, thanks for posting your thoughts!



Many great ideas posted so far.



Weight target should be 3400 with a v8.

Continue the 1st gen theme, the next gen will be slightly smaller, and on a different platform so it will look different than our current car. Dont forget 1st gen cues are why the current car has been so successful.

I love my 12', but-

Slim the rear end a bit, current car has a "fat butt" look. 1st gen cars have that muscular, sporty look but have a simpler, lean feel too.

Front end- less pinched, less evil. Still sporty, but like the first gens, cleaner and leaner.

Paint durability, if europe can do it we can too. Strategiclly placed clear film another option.

LED lighting packages. Like the behind grille light bar vs actual hideaway lamps idea.

Updated interior electronics package (color graphics, HD screen(s), many guage display options) abllity to choose from ECM PIDS what to display in HUD or dash info center. C7 and current ZL1 come to mind here.
In dash shift light bright enough to work from peripheral vision.
Yes Fbodfather, auto climate control. A sensor or two and programing, worth the minimal weight gain.

Modern interior with minimal cues to previous generations.

Same LT1 v8 as vette option. No detuning.

No t-tops.

Hold the line on pricing, 35G for loaded v8 trim.

LT HO 4 or DI V6 engine options (sporty, fun, fast)
SS V8, sport suspension (affordable muscle) Mag ride optional?
Z28 V8, with manually adjusted shocks, track suspension (affordable, track capable)
ZL1 Blown or larger displacement V8 (650-700hp), mag ride (top dog)

Yes, the next gen is a huge challange. Keeping the car within weight targets without the use of carbon and other exotic materials that would drive the price up is difficult. Ok, we have to remember this is not a Corvette, but it better be lighter than the next Mustang.

If this is done and paired with these new DI V8s and trick V6's we will have another American Hot Rod that goes in the history books.
Team Camaro you have done a great job so far, LT and SS and esp. the 1LE and ZL1!

Devil's advocate....if the Mustang is lighter (again...only this time, it's not as huge a difference due to earning an IRS), yet the Camaro is a solidly-build vehicle and the Mustang is a comparably flexy car....how would you feel?

Bring back the z28

then overall we would win, as we now are.


I am confident our team can beat their team esp. if our guys get to see their's first.

Yes, an IRS Mustang will be heavier than the current SRA car.
However, I doubt Ford's next car will be flexy. They have tons of power avail in the 500 now, and whatever they build will harness that. They have been beat up too much regarding this as we have for weight.


Our base V8's and track package cars should be lighter, even if just by a small amount. Let the customer add a bunch of weight in options if they want.

If this is done then I feel our light and simpler kick butt, DI V8's will tip the balance to Camaro.
again.

:thumbsup:

Just a hypothetical I wanted to raise. :)

The 5th gen is one of, if not the most structurally rigid chassis GM has ever produced. The Mustang doesn't even come close to this. And you can tell by the weight difference. If history repeated itself...with a smaller difference...I'd still be pretty happy. Especially if we end up on the ATS version of the Alpha platform...that formula can/will produce a 3300-3500 lb car. I4 => V8

paint quailty(currently BAD)
Digital gauges and spedo cluster
folding mirrors with leds
led taillights
customizeable HUD
optional factory performance options
magnectic ride option on all v8&v6 models
v6 twin turbo

Wow some of you guys are quite unrealistic with your wish list.

I'd like to see a 6th gen SS with:
- Less than 3600 lbs
- LT1
- 7-speed manual w/rev matching
- Brembo brakes
- At least a 275 width tire
- 1SS Base price of less than 35k

The rest is just details. Hopefully that's not too much to ask.

Don't let the legal department build the car!!!!
If its fast its bad ass, bad ass sells

The only thing that irritates me unreasonably so is the cup holder. If you have a m6 they are useless. They need to be deeper so you can actually shift the car with a cup of coffee.

make a camaro version of the "z07," package

more carbon fiber and/or stripper version

make the car visually as/or more menacing than the '13 and newer gt500

racing seats

better looking exhaust tips

corvette exterior door handles

launch control that will out launch any driver

I seriously doubt that Ford is going to let the Mustang gain weight... IRS doesn't automatically mean it will be a heavier car. It's pretty much a given that the car is going to be shrunk down a bit (and that alone will help with weight), will it be 100, 200, 300, 400 pounds? Only the engineers know but I'm sure they will make it stiffer too. I seriously doubt it will be anymore than 300 across the board though. The word is that it is going to be on a S197 2.0, so they just have to improve on the current chassis which after 10 years you can pretty much ensure they know what to fix...

I seriously doubt that the 6th Gen Camaro will be significantly lighter than the 5th Gen Mustang. The V6 ATS is within 100lb's of the current Mustang so possibly 50-100 LBS's less for the Camaro (just guessing)...

It's more than anything with the next gen's going to come down to a few things:
1. Fanboyism/Brand Loyalty
2. Which Car is Personally Better Looking/Fits the Buyer Better (Subjective Obviously)
3. Which is Cheaper

Where do I start... Weight is obviously first, less than 3500lbs would be great. A functional sun visor would be nice. Factory paint with out nearly as much orange peel as on the 5th gens would be a really nice upgrade too.

In our conversation, I think both myself and tsnow was assuming both cars would loose some weight. But if it gains an IRS, the Mustang will undoubtedly loose less than what it could if they stayed with a SRA. So, by extension...I think all three of us agree with the probability that both cars could weigh within a hundred pounds or two of each other. :thumbsup:

I would alter your list, though...just a little:

1. Brand Loyalty
2. Design/Emotional connection
3. Value
4.
5.
6.
7. Cost.

I do that only because sales seem indicate that people who have no brand loyalty (and even some who do) would rather buy the more expensive vehicle (Camaro), even without incentives, for one reason or another...I believe that reason to be entirely related to the design and feel of the car when driving.

If Chevy does a good job again, like they did with this car...cost will have less to do with it than we all would tend to think it does.

Higher roofline would be nice.

A higher roofline? Or more headroom?

One can ruin the look of the car...the other can make you more comfortable...:D

1. LCD gauge cluster
2. ~3500 lb target weight
3. Steering wheel - smaller, race inspired, natural hand position at 9 and 3.
4. More headroom!
5. Exhaust sound. I should make people drool.

Put the Z06 in the base SS
More durable paint
I have a sun roof - I wish I had more head room for my helmet. When making laps at the track I have to put my seat into a really strange position. I am certain that makes my laps inconsistent. If I had known, I would not have gotten a sunroof.
Lose about 350lbs?
I like the looks, don't mind the rear view, gun slit side windows work for me, the lighting is great, and I only have to deal with my passengers complaints about the visors - I own sunglasses!

Agreed :)

Better seats like ctsV seats,
Armrests that you can actually rest your arm on both doors and center console.
Better DiC features, g meter, 1/4 mile time, lap timer, etc
Durable paint

weight reduction. better seats that have more support(CTS-V seats are sex) 7L as the base SS motor, much better paint ( THIS PAINT IS DOLLAR STORE TERRIBLE ) Dont care about wheels and grill and little accessories, I plan to change all of those. and the 2010 steering wheel is much nicer than the one in my 13.

Uuuuuhhh oookay buddy. I drive 130km/h normally and I can still EASILY get anywhere from 9.5-11litres/100km most of the time. Thats 21-24mpg US. That's phenomenal for a 6.2 litre engine in a 3850lb car.