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If the TT in the Camaro did for the vehicle the same thing the TT did for the V6 in the F150 (EcoBoost), it would have my attention. I traded a V8 F150 for my current F150 with an EcoBoost in it, and the EcoBoost blows away the V8 I had. People focus too much on horsepower numbers. Torque is what's so much fun to feel in a vehicle. And with the TT, you can feel a ton of torque at very low RPMs, and the curve is held high for much longer. All you need with the TT is a good tune to wake up even more power.
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You said they had similar power, and in the very next sentence you said the Camaro needs the power of a V8. You don't see that as a contradiction?
Also, if you've every had a turbo vehichle then you know you are just one tune away for lots more power. So, if they start out at similar power, then you will get more power per mod buck for the turbo engine. Finally, when did you even mention sound? V8 sound and a couple of bucks will get you a cup off coffee at Starbucks. You can enjoy that as you watch the tuned TT's tail light disapear into the distance. |
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And I was simply stating that the sound factor is just a small reason why a V8 suits a Camaro better or any muscle car for that matter. I've heard plenty of turbocharged V6 Camaros and the sound is like a lawnmower on roids. Not desirable whatsoever. If I didn't know better I would say you were a V6 owner? Bottom line, GM will never produce a Camaro with that setup, period. Sent using Tapatalk on my Note 2. |
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Yea what he said. Its to close to V8 power so it would reduce sales. That said i think it would be cool to see a factory TT V6 under the hood. Maybe they can offer the TT V6 and up the V8 power to 500+ HP maybe LS7 standard. Even though the V6 in mine is awsome we cant have a Camaro lineup without a V8 trying to escape out of the hood.
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I've driven EcoBoost versions of both the F150 and Explorer, and frankly, I came away as not particularly impressed. Contrary to what many say, I found that they do need to rev just a little to get the turbos spooling, and don't have the same off the line kick way down low as a V8. Quote:
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It's really funny when people resort to the "he got his feelings hurt" line, guess it's just a last attempt at making oneself feel better. My feelings never got hurt sorry to disappoint you. And I'm not going to keep trying to make you understand what I was saying in my original post. If you can't figure it out then oh well not my problem. As for the sound issue you keep bringing up over and over, I never said that was the main reason I or anyone for that matter buys a V8 over a V6 I merely said it's one SMALL reason as my posts clearly says. Obviously our tastes differ which is fine, but there's no need to beat a dead horse over the subject. Sent using Tapatalk on my Note 2. |
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And you are right that it is a personal preference, and not just for sound, but in terms of power delivery and torque curve characteristics as well. And right now, I think more SS and GT buyers (and throw in R/T buyers for completeness) would prefer a V8 to a TTV6. And I think more would refuse to buy over not being able to buy a V8 than would buy because they could get a TTV6. I've also said this before, but I have no problem with offering a TTV6 as long as I can still get a V8, AND as long as they don't raise the price of my V8 to market it. That's why I don't really care about the EcoBoost F-150. (I wouldn't buy it, but I'm not calling for Ford to drop the option, either). The V8 is still offered at the same price point, and those who want the EcoBoost can pay the extra $900 for it. It doesn't affect me. The reason I oppose the possibility of a TTV6 Camaro (or Mustang for that matter) is I fear they won't go about it that same way. All the talk and speculation and specs on known TTV6s suggest it would be under the V8 in the hierarchy, which in my mind is a red flag that not only will the TTV6 be more expensive to buy than the current V8, but any V8 option will end up being priced even about that. |
I certainly hope that V-6 improvements and technology advances are going to be the wave of the future...
IMO, I think we tend to forget the current love affair with these V-8 supposed "muscle-cars" is a phenomenon that I don't think anybody expected to last as long as it has...But the V-8 engine, and all that goes with it, is not the wave of the future, unfortunately...Whatever all this European engine business is all about, it is firmly entrenched in the US already...The big V-8 is the exception, not the rule... The variety of available V-8 series engines that GM has been or currently is making, is getting smaller and smaller....The amount of technology and research that was necessary to put into the up-coming LT-1 V-8s is astounding....I think the day will come when what they can do and are willing to do with the V-8 will be here much sooner than later... ....The V-6 will for sure become a performance engine of choice. I would much rather see that, than see the internal-combustion gasoline engine go away altogether.... |
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Never say Never ... GM also said they would Never use the Camaro in NASCAR, look how that turned out. I think it could be used in the future, based on a gas guzzler tax. If the power of the TTV6 were close to the V8, with better fuel economy it could be a big seller. But then again, we really don't know where the tax situation will be at that point. |
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It may not be a regular production option...I'm thinking more along the lines of a special edition. Think about it. Every year the Camaro gets numerous "Special Editions" that run for a limited time.
2010 had the Synergy Green, Indy Pace Car, and Transformers 2011 had the XM, Synergy Series, Neiman Marcus, and another Indy Pace Car 2012 had the Honor and Valor, 45th Anniversay, Transformers, and Synergy Sries 2013 has the Dusk and Hot Wheels Don't you think it is conceivable to have a special edition with the TTV6? |
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Sell the TTV6 in europe for 2 years then sell a v8 option for a year with a little more hp. It would work both ways, Some want power with out caring about mpg and some can get power while still having mpg. Look at all the TT hondas out there that can get 400+ hp and still can manage 30+ mpg |
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Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but who actually gives a damn about the tree hugging Europeans?! GM and Ford should be focused on America for their pony/muscle cars, not Europe. I can understand if they care about the Spark or Sonic in relation to the global economy, because those cars matter overseas. A Camaro is a rare car overseas, and they shouldn't ruin an American enthusiast's fun because Europe is worried about co2 and engine displacement :facepalm:
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