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trewyn15 12-03-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GearBangr (Post 5876297)
IMO, some people want the looks of the "muscle car" but don't care about performance.
Some can have their v8s and the rest can have their smaller engines. Everyones happy.
Some people will argue that a real truck doesn't run on gas. Don't like a 4cyl, buy the v8.

a V6... fine... but a 4 cylinder... that's just dumb.

stlrammer 12-03-2012 09:48 PM

Z-28 = turbo 4 cylinder engine. I knew they were saving that nameplate for a reason. :sm0:

GaBoy25 12-03-2012 09:53 PM

Bonanza7;5876150]The Solstice 2.0 turbo was a blast to drive. I got the NA version since I did not trust the turbo for longevity. I am a flight instructor, and fly far better turbos in the planes. They are not reliable. After talking to some owners who have had them for awhile, seems the 2.0 is pretty good. If they get rid of the fat, it might be a good alternative.[/QUOTE]

The hundreds of millions of miles driven by the diesel community (2 million of them attributed by my trucks) would beg to differ. Most turbo reliability issues occur when incompetent quack jobs install ridiculously shiny hair dryers which in turn transforms the turbo or block into an A.E.D. (Accidental Explosive Device):yikes:

SlingShot 12-03-2012 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by trewyn15 (Post 5876310)
a V6... fine... but a 4 cylinder... that's just dumb.


What's your Camaro have in it, V6 or V8 ?

trewyn15 12-03-2012 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot (Post 5876387)
What's your Camaro have in it, V6 or V8 ?

I don't have a Camaro, but it will have a V8. I hope that was an attempt at being funny.

trewyn15 12-03-2012 09:57 PM

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One of my buddies would say that Camaro's are already turbo'd.. it's right here:

He pointed to the alternator on my friends G6 once and said it was a turbo :p

ShnOmac 12-03-2012 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by trewyn15 (Post 5876310)
a V6... fine... but a 4 cylinder... that's just dumb.

Times are changing and CAFE standards are only going to get tougher.

trewyn15 12-03-2012 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 5876411)
Times are changing and CAFE standards are only going to get tougher.

I just don't like the idea of a 4 Cylinder in a Muscle car, makes me think of a Cobalt or a Civic or something, not a Camaro.

I personally think Chevy might be shooting themselves in the foot with that one, but time will tell.

Mr. Wyndham 12-03-2012 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by trewyn15 (Post 5876287)
Ever heard of IMO also known as in my opinion? Like it's already been said, there's a V8... LS3 or L99... why do they need a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder in a MUSCLE car when they have the V8?

Because without the less expensive, less thirsty engines...there would be no V8 for the rest of us, because the car wouldn't exist. The old "muscle car", and even the old "pony car" boundaries are irrelevant today.

Simply put, the Camaro doesn't have the luxury of being a low-volume seller like the Corvette. It MUST sell...and the market has shifted to a group of performance buyers much more tolerant of 4 & 6 cylinders. It just so happens that these engines, combined with lower weight and better aerodynamics also increase fuel economy...and that plays to the companies desire to meet CAFE.

If it performs well (this isn't the 80s, and anyone not living under a rock should be able to accept that a 2.0T lighter Camaro WILL perform well...see ATS, Regal, Cobalt SS Turbo, Sky Redline, etc...)....looks good, and it appeals to the market, why the heck not? :D

IMVHO - if there's still the V8 option for those who want it (and there will be)...then there's really nothing to complain about. :thumbsup:



EDIT: I've said it for the better part of a year now - if you want to see how a xxxxxxxx - Camaro would perform...look no further than the Cadillac ATS. In this case, look at the 2.0T version that everyone's raving about, and that's in a sedan. ;)

90503 12-03-2012 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot (Post 5876387)
What's your Camaro have in it, V6 or V8 ?

Probably if they add a 4 cyl to the "line-up" of awesome-just-like-every other-car-on-the-road 6th Gen Camaro, he won't ever get one at all...lol

Angrybird 12 12-03-2012 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by trewyn15 (Post 5876287)
Ever heard of IMO also known as in my opinion? Like it's already been said, there's a V8... LS3 or L99... why do they need a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder in a MUSCLE car when they have the V8?

To make the car viable so those that want the V8 can get one. If the Camaro was limited in the 5th gen to just a V8 we would be lucky that it would make it for a 6th Gen.

trewyn15 12-03-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 5876427)
Because without the less expensive, less thirsty engines...there would be no V8 for the rest of us, because the car wouldn't exist. The old "muscle car", and even the old "pony car" boundaries are irrelevant today.

Simply put, the Camaro doesn't have the luxury of being a low-volume seller like the Corvette. It MUST sell...and the market has shifted to a group of performance buyers much more tolerant of 4 & 6 cylinders. It just so happens that these engines, combined with lower weight and better aerodynamics also increase fuel economy...and that plays to the companies desire to meet CAFE.

If it performs well (this isn't the 80s, and anyone not living under a rock should be able to accept that a 2.0T lighter Camaro WILL perform well...see ATS, Regal, Cobalt SS Turbo, Sky Redline, etc...)....looks good, and it appeals to the market, why the heck not? :D

IMVHO - if there's still the V8 option for those who want it (and there will be)...then there's really nothing to complain about. :thumbsup:



EDIT: I've said it for the better part of a year now - if you want to see how a xxxxxxxx - Camaro would perform...look no further than the Cadillac ATS. In this case, look at the 2.0T version that everyone's raving about, and that's in a sedan. ;)

I guess sometimes I forget to realize that there is a Corvette that only offers a V8 making the Camaro incapable of taking that position in the market :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 5876436)
Probably if they add a 4 cyl to the "line-up" of awesome-just-like-every other-car-on-the-road 6th Gen Camaro, he won't ever get one at all...lol

That made no sense. If they made a 4 cyl, I would just not get the 4 cyl and I never said they're just like every other car on the road. troll fail?

Angrybird 12 12-03-2012 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by trewyn15 (Post 5876445)
I guess sometimes I forget to realize that there is a Corvette that only offers a V8 making the Camaro incapable of taking that position in the market :rolleyes:



That made no sense. If they made a 4 cyl, I would just not get the 4 cyl and I never said they're just like every other car on the road. troll fail?

You can't compare the Corvette to the Camaro. The Corvette is a Halo or Image car. While the Camaro is for the mass market. That is why the new SS will eventually be offered with a V6.

trewyn15 12-03-2012 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12 (Post 5876476)
You can't compare the Corvette to the Camaro. The Corvette is a Halo or Image car. While the Camaro is for the mass market. That is why the new SS will eventually be offered with a V6.

I wasn't comparing the two, I was saying I often forget the Corvette when speaking of the Camaro lol

Mr. Wyndham 12-03-2012 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Angrybird 12 (Post 5876476)
You can't compare the Corvette to the Camaro. The Corvette is a Halo or Image car. While the Camaro is for the mass market. That is why the new SS will eventually be offered with a V6.

"Will"? hmmm....Mr. Reuss has a very strong opinion on what should and shouldn't wear the hallowed "SS" badge...would a V6 Camaro meet is expectations, I wonder? :iono:

I don't think he was comparing the two. He was expressing a desire to see the Camaro be offered in V8 only, and I brought up Corvette; saying it already did that.

Don't under-estimate the Camaro's "halo-factor", though...A couple of my local dealers seem to be under the impression that more people are coming in to look at the ZL1 just for eye candy than the Corvette, recently...:drool:

trewyn15 12-03-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 5876498)
"Will"? hmmm....Mr. Reuss has a very strong opinion on what should and shouldn't wear the hallowed "SS" badge...would a V6 Camaro meet is expectations, I wonder? :iono:

I don't think he was comparing the two. He was expressing a desire to see the Camaro be offered in V8 only, and I brought up Corvette; saying it already did that.

Don't under-estimate the Camaro's "halo-factor", though...A couple of my local dealers seem to be under the impression that more people are coming in to look at the ZL1 just for eye candy than the Corvette, recently...:drool:

Correct haha I may just have a bias because I know the next sports car I will have with have a V8 lol

FenwickHockey65 12-03-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by trewyn15 (Post 5876287)
Ever heard of IMO also known as in my opinion? Like it's already been said, there's a V8... LS3 or L99... why do they need a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder in a MUSCLE car when they have the V8?

Because without a lower model, there can be no SS. The business case just doesn't work, unless you want a super limited production car and I can give you a myriad of reasons why that's a stupid idea. Even the upcoming Chevrolet SS sedan (which will be pretty low volume) is probably going to have a lower displacement V8 in addition to the LS3.

trewyn15 12-03-2012 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 (Post 5876514)
Because without a lower model, there can be no SS. The business case just doesn't work, unless you want a super limited production car and I can give you a myriad of reasons why that's a stupid idea. Even the upcoming Chevrolet SS sedan (which will be pretty low volume) is probably going to have a lower displacement V8 in addition to the LS3.

Then what is the point really? Seems like a replacement almost for the G8.. but the G8 I can understand, being a sedan that can be used for a family car.. V6 makes some sense to me there.

Mr. Wyndham 12-03-2012 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by trewyn15 (Post 5876509)
Correct haha I may just have a bias because I know the next sports car I will have with have a V8 lol

Nothing wrong with that.

It truly is the beauty of the Camaro to be able to appeal to such a wide range of buyers. You want a V8? Here you are? What about a V8 on steroids? We've got that, too....V6 with some kick? Bingo!

Maybe the next generation will add a Turbo-4 to that wide selection! As far as I'm concerned, knowing how the team feels about this car...the passion they bring to their work...it can only get better. :D

FenwickHockey65 12-03-2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by trewyn15 (Post 5876521)
Then what is the point really? Seems like a replacement almost for the G8.. but the G8 I can understand, being a sedan that can be used for a family car.. V6 makes some sense to me there.

Holden needs export markets. Simple as that. Plus enthusiasts have been clamoring for the Commodore's return since Pontiac's demise. GM's killing two birds with one stone.

tramtwo 12-03-2012 10:27 PM

Less weight... no drives great... less weight... drives great!

Camaro Lite coming to a dealership near you..... soon. :D

fielderLS3 12-03-2012 10:35 PM

This downsize and turbocharge trend is a marketing/EPA rating scam that is ultimately costing owners more money for less longevity, and really not saving anyone anything on fuel.

These turbo fours get impressive mileage ratings from the EPA (which I guess is all any of the manufactures care about anymore), but in the real world, provide very little benefit...and if you drive one hard and keep them spooled, they can become even thirstier than the NA V6 engines they replace, while needing 40 cent a gallon higher premium to boot.

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 5876411)
Times are changing and CAFE standards are only going to get tougher.

Times are not changing....it is more of a repeating loop. We are living the late 60s over again right now, with the 70s-esque era of 4-banger MPG trimmed "muscle" cars right in front of us. And nothing says muscle like that four-cylinder buzzzzz.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 5876427)
IMVHO - if there's still the V8 option for those who want it (and there will be)...then there's really nothing to complain about. :thumbsup:

EDIT: I've said it for the better part of a year now - if you want to see how a xxxxxxxx - Camaro would perform...look no further than the Cadillac ATS. In this case, look at the 2.0T version that everyone's raving about, and that's in a sedan. ;)

Question is, will the V8 be available on the SS, or become limited to the high price, low volume ZL1. And what about those who want a V6?

And lets compare the ATS vs. Camaro. The V6 Camaro has 50 more horsepower, and despite being over 300 pounds heavier and less aerodynamic, is about as efficient. 3.6>2.0T.

CamaroGirl5 12-03-2012 10:38 PM

they are STUPID if they make a 4 banger Camaro...its an american muscle car! not a ricer or import! if you want a lightweight turbo ricer then buy a neon or something stupid like that...and the whole mpg thing needs to stop too...i get it for daily drivers and "normal" cars, but this is a SPORTS car...let it go...i will have no respect for the 4 cyl camaro no matter what the power or how lightweight it is. v6 and v8 only!

Just my opinion :) not that it matters...

trewyn15 12-03-2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham (Post 5876522)
Nothing wrong with that.

It truly is the beauty of the Camaro to be able to appeal to such a wide range of buyers. You want a V8? Here you are? What about a V8 on steroids? We've got that, too....V6 with some kick? Bingo!

Maybe the next generation will add a Turbo-4 to that wide selection! As far as I'm concerned, knowing how the team feels about this car...the passion they bring to their work...it can only get better. :D

That's a good point haha

Personally I want to get just an SS and ZL1, I know it will be more money, but I think I'll find it more entertaining to build to where a ZL1 is. For some reason that's just fun to me and I don't think a ZL1 would be a good 'starter' car for me coming from a Monte haha

MikeSVX 12-03-2012 10:43 PM

All you guys who keep saying its a muscle car it shouldn't have a 4/6 cylinder, V8 only, are really in a general public minority. All you need to do is look at the sales numbers. In every model, muscle/pony car. The smaller engine cars out sell the V8s. It's always been that way. The big engine cars bring in the customers, but most will end up dropping down to the smaller engines when they go to buy.


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