Just for the hell of it, I want to take a step back for a minute...
Why does it have to be about how many cylinders you have (if any)? Like many have already said. If GM can make a 6 cylinder engine that cranks out just as much, if not more that an 8 and gets good mileage to boot, why is it a bad thing. If you look at the raw power, or muscle I guess we are talking about here, as long as it is substantial, why does it matter what kind of engine it is coming from. Seems some people are stuck in the belief that just because there is a push for more efficient vehicles that we are all going to end up driving something that looks, feels, handles, and performs like a Prius. Even if some day we go all electric, does that mean they will do away with "performance/muscle" cars? As long as there is a market for this kind of vehicle, I believe they will be made. Look at stuff like what Tesla is doing. Aren't those very fast, high performance cars? Don't they look pretty bad ass (IMO) ? And they don't have ANY cylinders? Wasn't their first run roadsters doing the quarter mile in the mid 11s? Wouldn't that qualify as being muscle? Isn't that faster than most standard v8s? Yes, I know that it is a very expensive super car.... but my point is, it is possible to make fast, high performance, bad ass, good looking cars that don't have to burn a ton of Dino juice. In ten years I believe that we will still have high performance, good looking cars that are still obtainable by the middle class man (assuming there is still a middle class) that will also burn less foreign oil and pump less smoke into the air we must all breathe. Power is power, why is it so important as to how it is created? Times change, soon we find out new and improved, more efficient ways of doing things. When the internal combustion engine goes obsolete, something else will take its place. 400hp is 400hp, no matter how much gas it does or doest burn, and how many cylinders it takes (if any) to do it. In 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 years, man will still want to go fast as he can ,and will find a way to do it with the technology available at that time. I don't want to ruffle any feathers here, or start a political or otherwise debate. I'm just saying... technology will forever change and evolve, and we have to roll with it. As long as people will demand fast, good looking cars, and there is money to be made, they WILL find a way to make them. I want my space ship to go warp 10, even if it is running on dylithium crystals instead of old fashioned petroleum. |
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And I love your signature picture, so I'm giving you another one: :thumbsup: ;) All good thoughts - like the way you think. Let me draw a conclusion from some facts: Fact 1) They just dedicated over a billion dollars to the new V8 engine programming. Two plants are due to produce the engines, and countless suppliers support them. Fact 2) GM sells a bagillion trucks each year, each needing a tow-capable, torque-happy V8. Fact 3) The Corvette will ALWAYS....ALWAYS...feature a V8... Fact 4) Motorhead Al Oppenheiser is the Chief Engineer of Camaro. Conclusion: You think they won't put a V8 into a future Camaro? You're either insane, or you drive a Mustang! :yikes: :bolt: |
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Anybody check the horsepower rating on the twin turbo Taurus? I suspect we will see that engine in the next gen mustang. Chevrolet will react to that. When I was young we were promised a flying car by now. Mine flys, just really close to the ground:sm0: |
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I have nothing against TT V6, or even Turbo-4 bangers, by the way. |
Sure, there will always be a V8 option, if you are willing to pay for it and lucky enough to get one of the few made. GM won't give up a V8 Corvette, V8 Silverado/Sierra, V8 Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon and now V8 SS sedan. Something will have to change sooner or later.
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I can see the 6th gen Camaro having a V8 and possibly even the 7th gen. From there on forward, the Camaro would either get shut down again or it will be sold as a 4/6 cylinder and the 8 cylinder being offered like the Corvette where not too many buy them.
I wonder what GM will do with most of its trucks and SUV, since most of those have a V8. |
As long as there is a market for affordable V8 sport coupes, people will continue to buy them.
Detroit makes them affordable and the fuel efficiency to HP produced is excellent. Name anything from Europe or Asia that comes close. Plenty of loyal customers ensure the V8 has a future in the Camaro and Corvette. |
I guess all the people who figure it'll be fine don't remember (or weren't around for) the late 70's/early 80's. Those years aren't remembered as great car years.
As for me, when it goes south, I'll be buying used Gen 5's or Gen 6's instead of new. |
My Wish List:
- Gen 6 ATS Camaro, SS - new Gen 7 Corvette LT1 V8 (450HP). - Gen 6 ATS Camaro, 1LE (handling pak) - new Gen 7 Corvette LT1 V8 (450HP). - Gen 6 ATS Z/28, whatever Gen 7 Vette Z06 LT was available (530HP) - Gen 6 ZL1, whatever Gen 7 Corvette ZR-1 SC LT program was offered should go here (680hp) |
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I took the pic in the sig on Skyline Drive in VA, July 4th 2011 (It was my 2010 1LT/RS... Rest In Pieces). It's my favorite for sure. :flag2: |
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Oh, and... :thumbsup: |
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Yes... no doubt the V8 Camaro will carry on thru the the 6th Gen car. However, given impending CAFE standards Chevrolet will simply need to find a way to curtail sales of V8 cars. I remember the early predictions made by Chevy with respect to the mix of V6 vs. V8 cars before the 5th Gen car came to market. Chevy was banking on a production mix of 80% V6 and 20% V8 cars. Big joke... in reality, that proportion was reversed, based on the unexpected demand for the SS! The good news was that the V8 car was significantly more profitable for GM than the V6. (so let's leave well enough alone!) The bad news is that CAFE numbers took a hit as a result. Again, given the new fuel economy requirements coming down the road, GM cannot afford to have that kind of imbalance between the V6 and V8 cars again. V8 sales will need to be limited in order to meet the new requirements - and as has already been demonstrated, Chevy cannot depend on consumer demand to strike a balance in order to meet requirements. The clear choice among Camaro enthusiasts looks to be the V8. The easiest way to limit the number of V8s on the road is to make them less attainable by making them more expensive. My prediction is that the V8 Camaro will live on in the 6th Gen car, but those of us who want (need) a V8 will have to dig a lot deeper into our pockets to get one. Best regards, Elie |
I have been trying to ignore this topic for a minute now. I can no longer keep my feelings bottled up. Simply put if the Camaro gets rid of the V8 im gonna whip someones @$$....
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