To me, the 5th gen is one of the best looking cars on the road. Having said that, I can't wait to see what they do with the alpha platform. I don't think they can mess it up, I have no doubt it will look great.
Here's what I think it will be..

Base: 2.0T 280-300HP, 3300lbs $22k
SS: LT1 V8 470HP, 3500lbs $30k
Z28: LT4 v8 600HP, 3600 lbs $50k

When the ATSV comes out with what I'm guessing will be a na LT1, we will see a preview of what a 6th gen SS will run like.
They may squeeze a 3.6 in there somewhere, but I don't see where it would be needed.
I think they are getting away from offering 5 different engines in the same car.
I don't see why so many of you are so hell bent against a 4 cylinder. If you don't like it, just get the v8. But MOST people that just want a Camaro because its a nice car and they like the way it looks, its a great idea. Same concept as the 5th gen 3.6, most people that drive them have no idea what engine is in it, and never go past 50% throttle or past 4k rpm. And that's fine, that's what they like. The extra mpg is just an extra kicker for them.

I'm just happy that there will be a 6th Gen. and the car won't get canned again! :chevy::chevy::chevy:

1) A ton of people in this thread have already stated that they're fine with a 2.0T Camaro. Again, it's not like they're eliminating the V8. The 2.0T will be the base engine.
2) A 2.0T Alpha-based Camaro would perform as well as or perhaps BETTER than an LFX Zeta-based Camaro.
3) Target markets evolve. Considering what Ford and the rest of the competition is doing, the 2.0T is right in line with expectations.

Sooo...if you want to save gas why do you buy muscle cars in the first place?:mad0259:

Amen.

Glad to see not everyone here is a knucklehead lol. Gives me a great big laugh when I see people saying the 5th gen will be the pinnacle of Camaro performance and its all downhill from here.

The only thing I see stopping the 6th gen from kicking major performance butt is if GM simply never makes another generation of Camaro.....due to a failing economy or something very bad like that.

Because we have the technology to do both.

...lol...a four banger Camaro...gotta get suzy-secretary and the ricer crowd on board for the greater good of the Camaro's future. I'm glad it will be a sixth gen and not associated with the fifth...too bad, all in all...The 2010 SS Camaros put these cars on the map, not a six or a four-banger, and made them something special...Next gen, not so much...

...Just go along with it and say the four cylinder is "awesome", "a great idea", etc....The advance propaganda machine and those with a vested interest in seeing it built won't allow you to think otherwise...lol...

I figure they have enough vehicles in their fleet to meet consumer demand.

Molestation comes to mind when I think about a 4 banger in a 6th gen.
You could throw one in a veyron....but why:bangdesk:

My worry will be they turn the Camaro as we 5th owners know it, into a 3/4 size wanna be. I love the body style of this car and fear they will shrink it way to much to lose that weight. I dont know maybe i am old school , but a 4 banger in a Camaro just doesn't seem right , save it for the other cars. keep the V-6 and V-8.. going to a 4cyl, is not needed .And please dont make it a mini-Camaro. ugghh

I would not be interested in a 4 banger Camaro. Even if my car were a DD, (it's not) I would want a V8. I had a 3rd gen with a 4 pop in it and that lasted about 6 months had to trade for a RS with the 305. I don't care if they put out a twin turbo 500 hp 4 cylinder, no thanks I would pass.

Now that I think about it maybe that 3rd gen was a 6 banger, either way it was a DAWG!!

I don't know GM's plans, but if I were planning GM's future development, I would build a base 2.0T, a 3.6L V6, a 3.6T V6 (Eco-Boost-fighter to be labelled as a traditional Z28 or alternative SS), a 6.2L SS V8, and a 6.2L V8 supercharged all as engine options. At least 3 should be available initially, including the 4-banger, the V6, and the lower V8 model with each new addition coming out within months of one another. Additional suspension and trim packages should be available as special editions.

I know you'll hate my SS argument from above, so I'm simply pointing out that the SS trim is not inherent to V8s, and it represents performance. If a car performs in the Chevrolet line, give it the SS moniker, especially if it beats up the mainstream competition.

I wouldn't mind that if the power went like this:
2.0T 275-300 hp (with a GMPP tune being an option)
3.6L 320-340 hp
3.6T 370-400 hp
5.5L V8 with 430hp and a track package
6.2 with 475hp as a drag option
6.2L S/C 580-620 hp

Those with weight reductions could be rather impressive, and you could run 3 engines.

The beauty of this scenario is that you have some serious tuner platforms for everyone's budget.

The Solstice 2.0 turbo was a blast to drive. I got the NA version since I did not trust the turbo for longevity. I am a flight instructor, and fly far better turbos in the planes. They are not reliable. After talking to some owners who have had them for awhile, seems the 2.0 is pretty good. If they get rid of the fat, it might be a good alternative.

I have 60k on mine with 22psi tune since day one with no issues.

That's called utilizing a manual or getting the L99... a Muscle car doesn't come with a V6 IMO, unless my Monte is a muscle car?

Ever heard of a Grand National? A lot of people will argue that its one of the best muscle cars.
How about a 89 TTA?

Also a Camaro isn't technicaly a muscle car. Those are cars like a Chevelle, Impala SS,Buick GN GSX, etc.
The fbodies were meant to fast and handle better than those cars.

Ever heard of IMO also known as in my opinion? Like it's already been said, there's a V8... LS3 or L99... why do they need a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder in a MUSCLE car when they have the V8?

IMO, some people want the looks of the "muscle car" but don't care about performance.
Some can have their v8s and the rest can have their smaller engines. Everyones happy.
Some people will argue that a real truck doesn't run on gas. Don't like a 4cyl, buy the v8.

a V6... fine... but a 4 cylinder... that's just dumb.

Z-28 = turbo 4 cylinder engine. I knew they were saving that nameplate for a reason. :sm0:

Bonanza7;5876150]The Solstice 2.0 turbo was a blast to drive. I got the NA version since I did not trust the turbo for longevity. I am a flight instructor, and fly far better turbos in the planes. They are not reliable. After talking to some owners who have had them for awhile, seems the 2.0 is pretty good. If they get rid of the fat, it might be a good alternative.[/QUOTE]

The hundreds of millions of miles driven by the diesel community (2 million of them attributed by my trucks) would beg to differ. Most turbo reliability issues occur when incompetent quack jobs install ridiculously shiny hair dryers which in turn transforms the turbo or block into an A.E.D. (Accidental Explosive Device):yikes:

What's your Camaro have in it, V6 or V8 ?

I don't have a Camaro, but it will have a V8. I hope that was an attempt at being funny.

One of my buddies would say that Camaro's are already turbo'd.. it's right here:

He pointed to the alternator on my friends G6 once and said it was a turbo :p

Times are changing and CAFE standards are only going to get tougher.

I just don't like the idea of a 4 Cylinder in a Muscle car, makes me think of a Cobalt or a Civic or something, not a Camaro.

I personally think Chevy might be shooting themselves in the foot with that one, but time will tell.

Because without the less expensive, less thirsty engines...there would be no V8 for the rest of us, because the car wouldn't exist. The old "muscle car", and even the old "pony car" boundaries are irrelevant today.

Simply put, the Camaro doesn't have the luxury of being a low-volume seller like the Corvette. It MUST sell...and the market has shifted to a group of performance buyers much more tolerant of 4 & 6 cylinders. It just so happens that these engines, combined with lower weight and better aerodynamics also increase fuel economy...and that plays to the companies desire to meet CAFE.

If it performs well (this isn't the 80s, and anyone not living under a rock should be able to accept that a 2.0T lighter Camaro WILL perform well...see ATS, Regal, Cobalt SS Turbo, Sky Redline, etc...)....looks good, and it appeals to the market, why the heck not? :D

IMVHO - if there's still the V8 option for those who want it (and there will be)...then there's really nothing to complain about. :thumbsup:



EDIT: I've said it for the better part of a year now - if you want to see how a xxxxxxxx - Camaro would perform...look no further than the Cadillac ATS. In this case, look at the 2.0T version that everyone's raving about, and that's in a sedan. ;)

Probably if they add a 4 cyl to the "line-up" of awesome-just-like-every other-car-on-the-road 6th Gen Camaro, he won't ever get one at all...lol

To make the car viable so those that want the V8 can get one. If the Camaro was limited in the 5th gen to just a V8 we would be lucky that it would make it for a 6th Gen.

I guess sometimes I forget to realize that there is a Corvette that only offers a V8 making the Camaro incapable of taking that position in the market :rolleyes:

That made no sense. If they made a 4 cyl, I would just not get the 4 cyl and I never said they're just like every other car on the road. troll fail?

You can't compare the Corvette to the Camaro. The Corvette is a Halo or Image car. While the Camaro is for the mass market. That is why the new SS will eventually be offered with a V6.

I wasn't comparing the two, I was saying I often forget the Corvette when speaking of the Camaro lol

"Will"? hmmm....Mr. Reuss has a very strong opinion on what should and shouldn't wear the hallowed "SS" badge...would a V6 Camaro meet is expectations, I wonder? :iono:

I don't think he was comparing the two. He was expressing a desire to see the Camaro be offered in V8 only, and I brought up Corvette; saying it already did that.

Don't under-estimate the Camaro's "halo-factor", though...A couple of my local dealers seem to be under the impression that more people are coming in to look at the ZL1 just for eye candy than the Corvette, recently...:drool:

Correct haha I may just have a bias because I know the next sports car I will have with have a V8 lol

Because without a lower model, there can be no SS. The business case just doesn't work, unless you want a super limited production car and I can give you a myriad of reasons why that's a stupid idea. Even the upcoming Chevrolet SS sedan (which will be pretty low volume) is probably going to have a lower displacement V8 in addition to the LS3.

Then what is the point really? Seems like a replacement almost for the G8.. but the G8 I can understand, being a sedan that can be used for a family car.. V6 makes some sense to me there.

Nothing wrong with that.

It truly is the beauty of the Camaro to be able to appeal to such a wide range of buyers. You want a V8? Here you are? What about a V8 on steroids? We've got that, too....V6 with some kick? Bingo!

Maybe the next generation will add a Turbo-4 to that wide selection! As far as I'm concerned, knowing how the team feels about this car...the passion they bring to their work...it can only get better. :D

Holden needs export markets. Simple as that. Plus enthusiasts have been clamoring for the Commodore's return since Pontiac's demise. GM's killing two birds with one stone.