GM better not ruin the next model Camaro... IMO it shouldn't even have a V6 lol
So a I4 would be absolutely horrible. |
Not concerned with this at all. It's the right move. A turbo 4 isn't a bad thing at all. I have been to dyno events where properly tweaked Solstices and sky's put out almost as much HP to the wheels as a stock 5th gen SS and with little modifying.
They will still offer V8's for those like me who wouldn't have it any other way and I suspect they might even offer a V6 at least for the first year to test the waters. I believe that after they see where the take rates go the V6 will fade or they will turbo that and push the V8 up into "ZL1" price brackets only. Of course it all depends on what sells and who's willing to pay for it. $$$ will decide as people make the choices for GM with their wallets. At any rate I suspect we'll end up with a 6th gen Camaro that most of us will love, some will hate, and others will love but complain about them not doing ____X____. :chevy: |
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Just because a car shares a platform doesn't mean they will have the same engine. Manufacturers have mixed platforms and engines. Making some engines exclusive to specific models. As mentioned by others, the Skyline 2.0T was pretty serious. Since the LFX is a pretty advanced engine, I doubt they will throw it away. "Camaro with a 4 cyl 'just ain't right'" is tradition. Its just a name of a car. If the marketing is executed correctly, then people will buy it. I agree the V8 isn't going anywhere. Don't underestimate engineering. I mean can you imagine the SS V8 in a lighter model?!! |
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Might as well just put pedals in the damn thing and make it a pedal car.
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Good idea that setup would get great gas mileage :laugh: |
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(I'm not calling any Camaro owners fat or overweight) |
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Obviously you people aren't familiar with just how good GM's 2.0T is. There's a reason a lot of people prefer the ATS 2.0T over the more powerful LFX. |
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O believe me I know but that doesn't mean I want one in a camaro. Put it in a Sonic, Impala, Malibu, and so on. I just fear the day I see a fart can on a Camaro. Like I said earlier as long as they make a big v8 as a option I'm happy. |
The 2.0 turbo in the ats produces 272bhp in a 3400-3450 pound car.
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I welcome the idea of an I4. It's almost a given with the ATS. When the 5th generation was under development we all followed the CTS for clues to what the 5th gen powertrain would look like. Now it's the 6th gen with the ATS. I know a lot of you think the Camaro should only be produced with a v8, but that's why you guys aren't in business... your thinking is flat out wrong and would ruin the vehicle since the v8 sales alone wouldn't carry the vehicle line to profitability. The vehicle needs to be available to the masses and sell. If a 6th gen with an I4 comes out at a 17,000-19,000 price point (wishful thinking) then it opens the 6th gen to a whole new group of buyers and that's a good thing. |
I wouldn't want one. I'm a neanderthal I guess but to me there has to be the option of an 8. I don't care if the 4 is 2 seconds faster in the quarter mile, the sound and feel of a pushrod 8 cannot be replicated in a turbo 4. I think even Porsche finally gave up on developing a turbo 4.
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I guess I'm a Neanderthal also, and at the risk of being a troll: four-cylinder engines will always remind me of tractors.
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OMG Big mistake. 4 Cylinder? Big Mistake!
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Might as well make it front wheel drive while they are at it.
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As someone that has driven and ATS with the 2.0T with a manual and automatic, I'm ok with them at least offering this engine on the 6th gen. There will certainly be a V8 option so everyone needs to just relaxe. The 2.0T is a very capable engine when it's in a car that's not too heavy. The big question is whether they can keep the weight down on the next Camaro. |
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Look guys...we need look no further than the absolutely wonderful performing ATS to see what kind of possibilities we may have with the next gen Camaro on the Alpha platform. The base ATS weighs in the low to mid 3,300 range. A loaded ATS with the V6 is in the 3,400 lb range. I fully expect the base 6th gen Camaro to start in the same 3,300 lb range, V6 in the 3,400 lb range and finally the V8 variant in the 3,500 range. The weight savings alone would completely change the performance of these cars. Current V6 weighs 3,750 lbs. The V8 weighs somewhere around 100 - 150 lbs more than that, with all its suspension, brake, and drivetrain upgrades. So if we take the current ATS V6...add another 100 -150 lbs and you guys are looking at an SS (if its even called that) in the 3,550 to 3,600 lb range. Amazing performance potential. I really hope they offer the LFX as well as the 2.0 in this car...at least for the first year or two. Thats what I'd want. I feel so familiar and happy with the V6 now after modding mine, that I think doing a bolt on/tune LFX in the 350 - 370 HP range would be absolutely awesome. The one thing I hate about my car is the weight. In a lighter car with similar gearing, the V6 would absolutely rip. I think the performance of the next gen Camaro is going to be the best ever. Now we just have to hope that GM can once again nail the styling :D |
The new four banger turbo is a great motor for the Camaro, the people flaming Chevy for it are just trying to be "cool". 272hp from a turbo will monster the current V6 with weight being the same. The torque curve of the turbo will be a huge upgrade, and who doesn't like saving at the pump? All the power with less fuel, yeah so stupid. Some of those turbo 4 cylinder cars out there will give the current SS a run for its money, cue STi and Evo. This won't be on that level, but it won't be slow. Overall, nice job Chevy. I'll keep the V8 for myself, but I would buy the turbo four over the 6cyl for sure.
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I think the gmpp tune on the LNF in the Solstice/Sky bumps it up to 340 ft-lb and 340 hp.....pretty impressive for a 4 banger. That would be a good base model for a lighter camaro.
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Different demographic, but I wonder if GM would ever consider a turbo 4 for the vette?
I certainly could be wrong but I would think a turbo 4 would be a midgrade engine just based on manufacturing costs. A turbo 4 would cost more than a six wouldn't it? |
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