TT and be done with all arguements. Yah right!
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Here is the problem, if they put the 4 in then most likely it becomes the entry level car. This would be disapointing in that the 6 is a nice motor and with less weight and a few more ponies it would be great for those who want performance on a budget and still feel they have a motor that has a non-entry level feel to it. If the 4 banger was cheaper then todays ls then ok but I do not believe this will happen.
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This was posted in another thread, and I thought it was worth copying over to this thread.
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The 6th gen will be based on the same car as the ATS and its turbo 4 banger puts out 272 hp and 260 tq, no need for a smaller v-6.
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The smaller V6 could be for small to midsize passenger cars, and the larger V6 for large sedans, cross-overs, SUVs, and the Camaro. |
"(probably besting the 2ltr turbos)"
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I'm betting GM is waiting to see what Ford does w/ the new 2015 Mustang as far as 4 cylinder options are.
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I am the only one that would love to see the 4.3 truck motor in the 6th Gen? 290-310 HP in a lighter chassis but more importantly 310-315 lb/ft of torque, plus I bet it would sound better then the current LFX, more rumbly.
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If you're hoping that "more rumbly" will be more like "V8-rumbly", that's not gonna happen from any size or configuration of six cylinders.
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Nothing wrong with a V6 in a Camaro. Not everyone wants or can afford an SS.
Heck, I think a 4 cylinder should be available for those that want it. Who knows, maybe GM will put the 4 cylinder from the Equinox in the 6th Gen? If it can push around a 4000 lb Equinox, it should be able to push around a 5th or 6th Gen. |
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The 4.3 has all the new tech, but as a 90 degree engine it should be high on torque but not sure if we will see 300HP out of it, but I hope we do. I'm guessing if a V6 does make it into the Camaro again it will be another high reving 60 degree engine like the current LFX, but hopefully with 340+ HP and around 290TQ. It may even have cylinder shutoff like the 4.3 does. Quote:
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I can write the "GM put a truck engine in the Camaro" thread right now. That shouldn't happen. If it does it shows GM is incapable of making a decent world class product.
GM also tried a 3.0 L V6. It failed misserably because of the lack of torque and HP compared to the 3.6L. If you recall, GM launched the Equinox and SRX with 3.0L V6s and made that the base engine in the CTS. It had exactly the numbers everyone was looking for. It was not an EPIC FAIL, but it was a pretty big one. Took two years to resolve it. It gave you less power and performance and no real FE gain for the trade off. Now if this is one of those threads (like the mythical 3,300 pound Camaro that everyone thinks is coming) that says GM should make a XXL V6 that gets 35 MPG and offers more HP than the current 3.6 and gives us V6 buyers the performance of an SS for no extra money..........................well we should shut that down right now. Yes, GM could make a 3.0L V6 and put in the Camaro. Name your displacement. But you will run into one big problem. If you want a bigger displacement for more torque and HP you will LOSE FE, not gain. And if you want a 35 MPG Camaro, you will LOSE HP and Torque, not gain. There is no free lunch here, guys. You can't just say "invent an all new V6 that gets the HP of an SS and the FE of a Chevy Cruze". If that could be done it would have been done. And then there is the crowd that says, "I've got a tune and I make 350 HP in my V6". Nice, but your engine and the transmission that goes with it no longer meets GM standards for reliabilty. Sorry. Basic point - it's just not that simple. |
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Don't be lecturing me about the sixxer exhaust note without knowing how I feel about the topic. Two of the cars in my driveway have V6 engines. I can play a pretty sweet tune running up and down through the gears on the little 7500 rpm-capable 2.5L in my Mazda 626, now that I've swapped in a more open muffler. It more than makes up for not being all that fast by being satisfying to listen to and a whole lot of fun to drive. Hell, I'd put an X-pipe exhaust on the V8 car that I have now if it needed exhaust system repair, like I effectively did with the V8 car I had before that. There's just something about the snarl that builds as you're running up through the midrange and it echoes off the Jersey lane barriers or when going through a tunnel . . . FWIW, I doubt that a 90° V6 engine is considered commercially acceptable for use in a passenger car any more. Trucks, maybe. Being able to run it down the 90° V8 production line is unlikely to still be a good enough reason to outweigh the disadvantages. Norm |
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What I'm looking for a is a combination of things: 1) 340ish HP V6 with a bit more torque than the current LFX...not much, but naturally if the HP rises by 15 or so, then surely we can expect a bit more torque hopefully. 2) Lighter weight. We already know by looking at the ATs that we should be able to see around 300 lbs lost. 3) 8 speed transmission in the auto. I don't see any reason whatsoever they couldn't get a 3.6 or 3.7 V6 to make those kind of power numbers...its possible without really even being much of a stretch. With the lighter weight and gearing, I don't see why at least 32 - 34 MPG highway wouldn't be possible. So I think what I'm asking for is pretty realistic. Not asking for what your mentioning above. What your mentioning above is not much different than the SS owners asking for the next V8 in the Camaro to have 500 horsepower. Thats just silly talk right there. |
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The V8 is a dinosaur. Mercedes is going with 6 cylinder turbos in their performance cars within the next 2 years. The Caddy CTS will have 3 engine options, the 2.0 turbo 4, the NA 3.6 V6 And the TT 3.6 V6. Those are the options for the Next Camaro. You might see the V8 in a high performance model such as the next gen ZL1 or Z28.
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I actually like IL-4's and V6's - as long as their displacement limitations are respected rather than crowded. Norm |
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I still believe the V6 is the one in most danger of going away...at least in this particular vehicle. The Caddy gets the TT 3.6 in part to the fact that they want to push this car more in overseas segments, which are used to seeing more boosted V6s in cars like that. |
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Obviosly any V6 will not sound like a V8, but the 4.3 would have a deeper sound then the 3.6, based on my experiences with the old version of the 4.3 Thanks for assuming Norm. |
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The main thing the 6th gen needs is WEIGHT reduction. If GM can get weight down to the 3500lbs range, which going to the lighter caddy chassis can do, the current LFX will be fine on the 6th gen. I would not mind getting current LFX on a 3500lb 6th gen at all. All I would want is a a TQ increase w/ current LFX---oh somewhere around 300 TQ would be sweet.
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9/10, they'll have the TT4cyl (or single Turbo at minimum), a V6, SS, 1LE (hopefully more HP than the SS) and Z/28. I beleive the ZL-1 will not be made after this generation. No way they delete the Z/28 from the list as its ALWAYS been made every gen even if you were simply buying a badge in the late 70s though now. |
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The only problem I have is getting MORE HP and MORE torque and also getting MORE MPG. Gearing with an 8 speed will get about 1 MPG according to something I read. It isn't a giant number. So that 1 MPG would only offset the added HP and Torque. So you are back to 30. As I said before, 50% of your highway number is aero. Mass is a portion for sure, but not as big as aero. Now if you want the package, you only have to look at the Audi S4 I'm driving now. (long story but the ATS just didn't cut it and Audi fits golf clubs in the trunk far better than the gymnastics required to get two sets in the Cadillac). The S4 weighs about what a Camaro V6 weighs. But the wonderfullness is the 3.0 L supercharged V6. It makes 333 HP but the big fun comes from the 325 lbft of torque. It pulls like no other V6 car I've driven and will do a sub 5 second 0-60. The drivability is incredible and in sport mode with the DCT it is pretty much awesome. It's rated at 28 EPA, the same as the ATS. So a lighter Camaro and more torque would be great for sure. Just not sure if you can have that AND better FE. The lighter ATS with the Camaro V6 is only rated at 28. So the lighter ATS will not automatically reasult in better FE. |
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I think the next gen V6 (if it comes) HAS to be mid to low 5 second to 60mph, and at least a high 13 second 1/4 mile car. Hell, the current mustang V6 is basically that already with the performance package installed. It is is no faster than the current stock V6, I fear the performance difference between Fords base pony car and Chevy's will be too wide to be acceptable. The Cadillac ATS with the V6 and same gearing as the Camaro pulls off a mid 5 second 0 - 60 already, so I believe the Camaro will as well. |
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