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FarmerFran 07-05-2023 06:54 PM

U-DRAG RACE: 2023 Corvette Z06 vs. 2020 Shelby GT500!
 
You all sleeping on me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCVbW4FEzbg

ariZona28 07-06-2023 05:12 PM

Nice vid. Not too surprised by the results. That Z is such a phenomenal performance machine there's no way the big Stang with "older" technology can keep up. I know there's a lot of haters here but after being around the Mustangs in the track environment I have developed quite a bit of respect for them. I'm not a Ford guy by any means but if I was I'd probably own one for "entertainment" purposes.

Anslkyn 07-08-2023 02:39 AM

Yep, the Z06's performance is insane. That supercharged 6.2-liter V8 engine is a beast, giving it crazy power and torque. And let's not forget the handling. This baby can hug corners like nobody's business)

However, I like how the Z06 also brings some serious entertainment value to the table. I imagine cruising down the highway with the top down, wind in my hair, and the engine roaring behind me. It's like being in my own action movie XD

And let me tell you, the Corvette Z06 knows how to turn heads. Its aggressive design makes it the star of the show wherever my brother goes (yup, he owns it). People are really snapping pictures and giving him the thumbs up. He's like being a celebrity on its wheels :D He likes to say all this entertainment doesn't have to break the bank (my brother means it doesn't cost so much for the pleasure it brings him).

Cheers,
Ansel

302crossram 07-08-2023 08:06 AM

Z06 is NA

ZL1 vs Z06 would be a better race

eff that Shelby hambeast

FarmerFran 07-08-2023 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Anslkyn (Post 11333697)
Yep, the Z06's performance is insane. That supercharged 6.2-liter V8 engine is a beast, giving it crazy power and torque. And let's not forget the handling. This baby can hug corners like nobody's business)

However, I like how the Z06 also brings some serious entertainment value to the table. I imagine cruising down the highway with the top down, wind in my hair, and the engine roaring behind me. It's like being in my own action movie XD

And let me tell you, the Corvette Z06 knows how to turn heads. Its aggressive design makes it the star of the show wherever my brother goes (yup, he owns it). People are really snapping pictures and giving him the thumbs up. He's like being a celebrity on its wheels :D He likes to say all this entertainment doesn't have to break the bank (my brother means it doesn't cost so much for the pleasure it brings him).

Cheers,
Ansel

The Z06 is a 5.5-liter V8 with a flat-plane crankshaft engine. No boost.

302crossram 07-08-2023 08:45 AM

ZO6 is NA as it should be

Martinjlm 07-09-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bivolella (Post 11333989)
Uhmm, while it has power and torque, I wouldn't call it insane. Ok, its handling is good, but not unique. And I think, or at least for me, the Z06 comes with a hefty price tag(

Compared to a ZL1, hefty. Compared to the cars it actually competes with, straight up bargain. All a matter of perspective.

Realist 07-09-2023 10:57 AM

Turned out exactly as I expected. Maybe if they heated the tires or had a longer run, it would have been closer. The z06 is so impressive, especially for those with connections to dealers or GM for easy money flips. Biggest takeaway for me is what a shame that both aren’t available with a manual transmission.

102SS 07-09-2023 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bivolella (Post 11333989)
Uhmm, while it has power and torque, I wouldn't call it insane. Ok, its handling is good, but not unique. And I think, or at least for me, the Z06 comes with a hefty price tag(

The Z06 has the highest horsepower of any NA production V8 ever made at 670HP

Pretty impressive if you ask me

For the average working guy yes its unobtainium but this is geared toward the people who buy exotics for 2 or 3 times the price

Blue 13 07-09-2023 12:21 PM

While impressive what’s the benefit? I’d rather have it supercharged and making 800+. There are plenty of cars making 700+. The Shelby was running it down.

Puddin 07-09-2023 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 102SS (Post 11334043)
The Z06 has the highest horsepower of any NA production V8 ever made at 670HP

Pretty impressive if you ask me

For the average working guy yes its unobtainium but this is geared toward the people who buy exotics for 2 or 3 times the price

That's the issue I have with these new Corvettes. They were always the working man's sports car that were affordable and punched well above their class. Now they're just like any other exotic and GM is fine with that since they're all for the electric push.

Wyzz Kydd 07-10-2023 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm (Post 11334023)
Compared to a ZL1, hefty. Compared to the cars it actually competes with, straight up bargain. All a matter of perspective.

I agree. You get what you pay for and with the Vette you're getting supercar performance at a reasonable price. If not for the interior and the lack of a manual transmission I would be taking a serious look at a Z06.

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Originally Posted by Blue 13 (Post 11334057)
While impressive what’s the benefit? I’d rather have it supercharged and making 800+. There are plenty of cars making 700+. The Shelby was running it down.

Which car crossed the finish line several car lengths ahead of the other? It wasn't even close. How much extra do you have to pay for a Z06 that spanks a Shelby 500 GT? Answer, not much.

FarmerFran 07-10-2023 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd (Post 11334279)
Which car crossed the finish line several car lengths ahead of the other? It wasn't even close.


The McLaren?

Wyzz Kydd 07-10-2023 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FarmerFran (Post 11334292)
The McLaren?

I didn't see one of those in the video you posted. Might be fun to watch, but the McLaren is out of my price range. The Shelby and Z06 are not.

Blue 13 07-10-2023 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd (Post 11334279)
Which car crossed the finish line several car lengths ahead of the other? It wasn't even close. How much extra do you have to pay for a Z06 that spanks a Shelby 500 GT? Answer, not much.


The one that is substantially lighter that was getting caught and finished with a lower top speed. My point was for a halo car 670hp is not great. So again, I’d rather have a supercharger and make more power, especially at higher elevations.

Iron Lung Jimmy 07-10-2023 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue 13 (Post 11334331)
The one that is substantially lighter that was getting caught and finished with a lower top speed. My point was for a halo car 670hp is not great. So again, I’d rather have a supercharger and make more power, especially at higher elevations.

What I saw was the supercharged car with 90 more HP and a bunch more torque get its ass thoroughly kicked 0-60, 1/4 mile, and to the finish line.

Given more time it may have caught the Corvette but given even more time the Corvette would wave bye-bye on its way to around 200MPH.

670HP is plenty. Any car that can beat it is going to cost at least twice as much.

FarmerFran 07-10-2023 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd (Post 11334305)
I didn't see one of those in the video you posted. Might be fun to watch, but the McLaren is out of my price range. The Shelby and Z06 are not.

They did a u drag with the McLaren and Z06. The McLaren made the Z look silly.


Was just being funny.

Wyzz Kydd 07-10-2023 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue 13 (Post 11334331)
The one that is substantially lighter that was getting caught and finished with a lower top speed. My point was for a halo car 670hp is not great. So again, I’d rather have a supercharger and make more power, especially at higher elevations.

I happen to like both cars. It's subjective, but to me the Shelby is far better looking.

Having said that, the Z06 outperforms the Shelby in pretty much every dimension and particularly the ones I care about. Faster top speed, faster 0-60, faster quarter mile, stops faster, better lateral Gs, and the Shelby is an oinker weighing in at over 4,000 lbs.

The Shelby wins the acceleration contest when you're getting into the 130-170 mph range, but I can't really find any other performance metric where the Shelby wins.

Given I don't often run from 130-170, but do like to go WOT at lower speeds, the Z06 wins that. Clearly it handles better being lighter and pulling significantly more Gs and beating the Shelby by a ton on the Nurburgring.

The Shelby gets beat on the Nurburgring by the 5th gen Z28, the C8 Stingray, the C8 Z06, the ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE.

When one halo car gets beat by another OK, I can see that. But when Ford's halo car gets beat by FIVE different GM products one from a previous generation and three of which aren't even their halo car....

Blue 13 07-10-2023 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy (Post 11334347)
What I saw was the supercharged car with 90 more HP and a bunch more torque get its ass thoroughly kicked 0-60, 1/4 mile, and to the finish line.

Given more time it may have caught the Corvette but given even more time the Corvette would wave bye-bye on its way to around 200MPH.

670HP is plenty. Any car that can beat it is going to cost at least twice as much.

And weighs how much more? :smiling1:

There is a video of a Mini making 400+ that embarrasses C7’s. Power to weight matters. So since you still don’t understand my point, what is the advantage of doing the Z06 as a N/A platform? If they do a ZR1 with 800+ it makes sense to give them product separation. It’s also easier to modify a boosted car. My SS makes over 800 wheel and I have a friend making over 1000 wheel on his GT500.

Wyzz Kydd 07-10-2023 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue 13 (Post 11334456)
And weighs how much more? :smiling1:

There is a video of a Mini making 400+ that embarrasses C7’s. Power to weight matters. So since you still don’t understand my point, what is the advantage of doing the Z06 as a N/A platform? If they do a ZR1 with 800+ it makes sense to give them product separation. It’s also easier to modify a boosted car. My SS makes over 800 wheel and I have a friend making over 1000 wheel on his GT500.

Maybe they're doing it for the same reason they didn't roll out the Z06 right away.

Lots of folks get excited by the new Vette and go buy one. A few years later many of them get excited by the new Z06 and trade in their current Vette to upgrade. A few laters later the SC Z06 comes out and those same people upgrade once again.

OTH, there may be issues fitting a SC V8 in that mid engine layout.

It also might have to do with the price point they want to hit and a calculation that adding that SC isn't going to appreciably impact sales.

FarmerFran 07-10-2023 06:58 PM

Z06
5.5L flatplane NA
3681lbs
670/460
5.49lbs/ HP
$160K

765LT
4L Twin Turbo
3060bls
755/590
4.05lbs/ HP
$489K

McLaren did not just walk it, it destroyed it. So yes the Z06 plays in supercar terrirtory, but do not get ahead of yourselves. More money yadda yadda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n1ih21fYqA&t=472s

Blue 13 07-10-2023 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd (Post 11334458)
Maybe they're doing it for the same reason they didn't roll out the Z06 right away.

Lots of folks get excited by the new Vette and go buy one. A few years later many of them get excited by the new Z06 and trade in their current Vette to upgrade. A few laters later the SC Z06 comes out and those same people upgrade once again.

OTH, there may be issues fitting a SC V8 in that mid engine layout.

It also might have to do with the price point they want to hit and a calculation that adding that SC isn't going to appreciably impact sales.

The staggered sales approach makes sense. I’m thinking they want to quench appetite before the ZR1, but in typical GM fashion they’ll wait too long. With all this EV garbage being forced down our throats they need to move quickly.

Bhobbs 07-10-2023 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue 13 (Post 11334057)
While impressive what’s the benefit? I’d rather have it supercharged and making 800+. There are plenty of cars making 700+. The Shelby was running it down.

Then wait for the ZR1 with turbos and 800+ horsepower.

KMPrenger 07-11-2023 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue 13 (Post 11334331)
The one that is substantially lighter that was getting caught and finished with a lower top speed. My point was for a halo car 670hp is not great. So again, I’d rather have a supercharger and make more power, especially at higher elevations.

Except the halo car is still coming

Blue 13 07-11-2023 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 11334784)
Except the halo car is still coming

They better get a move on with it. How long has the C8 been out now?

FarmerFran 07-11-2023 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue 13 (Post 11334808)
They better get a move on with it. How long has the C8 been out now?

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snizzle 07-12-2023 07:17 AM

Why are folks surprised that every variant didn't come out at once?

KMPrenger 07-12-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue 13 (Post 11334808)
They better get a move on with it. How long has the C8 been out now?

It's coming. At launch we got the optional Z51 package. Then we eventually got the Z06. We also just got the E-Ray (which not really in the same "lane" as the Z06, but still provides some nice AWD and faster launching). Next up should be either the Z06 with the E-ray stuff added in, or Z06 with forced induction, or the all out balls to the wall Z06 with forced induction and E-Ray stuff lol.

Not always fun for enthusiasts to wait, but pretty normal for GM to wait 2 - 3 years before they release the real "big dawg" stuff after a new launch.


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