Less weight... no drives great... less weight... drives great!
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This downsize and turbocharge trend is a marketing/EPA rating scam that is ultimately costing owners more money for less longevity, and really not saving anyone anything on fuel.
These turbo fours get impressive mileage ratings from the EPA (which I guess is all any of the manufactures care about anymore), but in the real world, provide very little benefit...and if you drive one hard and keep them spooled, they can become even thirstier than the NA V6 engines they replace, while needing 40 cent a gallon higher premium to boot. Quote:
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And lets compare the ATS vs. Camaro. The V6 Camaro has 50 more horsepower, and despite being over 300 pounds heavier and less aerodynamic, is about as efficient. 3.6>2.0T. |
they are STUPID if they make a 4 banger Camaro...its an american muscle car! not a ricer or import! if you want a lightweight turbo ricer then buy a neon or something stupid like that...and the whole mpg thing needs to stop too...i get it for daily drivers and "normal" cars, but this is a SPORTS car...let it go...i will have no respect for the 4 cyl camaro no matter what the power or how lightweight it is. v6 and v8 only!
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Personally I want to get just an SS and ZL1, I know it will be more money, but I think I'll find it more entertaining to build to where a ZL1 is. For some reason that's just fun to me and I don't think a ZL1 would be a good 'starter' car for me coming from a Monte haha |
All you guys who keep saying its a muscle car it shouldn't have a 4/6 cylinder, V8 only, are really in a general public minority. All you need to do is look at the sales numbers. In every model, muscle/pony car. The smaller engine cars out sell the V8s. It's always been that way. The big engine cars bring in the customers, but most will end up dropping down to the smaller engines when they go to buy.
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the general public can buy malibus, cruzes, sonics, etc if they want a 4 cylinder...dont call it a muscle car then...a muscle car has muscle not teenie tiny engines that have help with turbos
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I look at it this way the V6 Camaro was built to appeal to those that bought the last generation Monte Carlo. |
The way the V-6 guys get grief around here, I can olnly imagine what the 4-cyl guys would have to endure.
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Today, you can...and even the "mpg trimmed muscle cars" will not sacrifice a dynamic driving experience in order to help the fleet average. That's worth recognizing...because it says something about learning from the past. I don't like CAFE...but since it is what it is...I'm impressed with the direction they're taking. It could be a LOT worse. Quote:
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But in your scenario, you forget to take a couple of key things into consideration...the ATS turbo is designed to be a performance car. It's a couple of ticks faster to 60 and in the quarter. But it offers enormous benefits in handling thanks to lower mass...The 3.6L Camaro was tuned for mpg in LS trim, plain and simple...super tall rear axle gear, and all-season tires. 2-3mpg difference might not seem ground breaking, but they fight over fractions of a mpg when they build cars....and when the fleet average is calculated, this difference is enormous. I guess all I mean to say is they're not thinking about this for no reason...but at the same time - it won't be something that'll embarrass the car's reputation. |
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You may be right, but I have had engine failures in turbo planes,caused by turbo malfunctions. Maintenance costs soar . Never had a turbo car, but have seen so many problems in other car turbos, (not the Solstices), that I would still be leery without a GOOD warranty. |
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The current 2.0T is knocking on 300 HP's door. Couple that with a flat torque curve over a wide band of engine power and a lightweight platform. I fail to see how that doesn't constitute "muscle." |
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As for not putting it in the Camaro, too bad. Chances of it happening are way better than not. |
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There are ways to properly tune a 4-bangers exhaust so it doesn't sound like a fart-can...They can give it a little growl without being "bee-hive-ish"....sadly stupid movies like Fast/Furious have anchored that god-awful sound to those abominations called cars they feature on screen, and they've all got 4-cylinders...In real life, there are professionals that don't do that. :laugh: |
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Otherwise the only thing you'll be hearing is the sound of the assembly plant closing like it did in 02. |
For 4 cylinders..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFjoSywgYQI Sounds damn good for a 4 cylinder... better than an LS3.. NO.. still good for what it's worth tho |
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Ford sells engines, Chevy sells cars, dammit! :thumbup: |
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People are getting waaaaay too hung up on cylinder count. |
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Sorry but that whole idea doesn't float, first off muscle cars died along time a go. Back during the muscle car days, not all trim levels of the cars were for performance. All the cars came with straight sixes up to big block V8's to fit all markets, nothing has changed since then. |
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Like it or not, this the way its going. I guarantee the mustang gets an ecoboost as a base engine. I've also heard rumors that chrsyler is working on a smaller replacement for the challenger that will be powered by a turbo4 as a base.
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And just sayin', Camaro may go the same route. |
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all i did was give my opinion on this "future camaro"...guess I am not allowed. |
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In any case, supposedly the final design for the 6th gen is being worked on as we speak.
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